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Unexplained 02 Data Allowance Drain at Midnight

Hi all. I don't think I've ever had reason to post on here before so I'm hoping that, perhaps, some of you knowledgable lot might be able to help me.


I've had an iPhone on 02 (UK) since they first came out and with each year have upgraded to the latest model. I've had the iPhone 4 since July last year.


I know that recently 02 reduced their "Unlimited" data allowance to 500MB. This never really caused me concern because I never really used data apart from when I was at home over Wi-Fi. Recently, however, I've received a text message saying that I was 80% through my 500MB allowance. I thought this a bit strange but paid an extra £5 for 500MB more to cover me for the rest of the month.


Now, tonight, curious about what I had done differently to accrue such a large use of my data allowance, I checked my bill. It seems that every evening, normally around midnight, I have a large data usage. Now, previously, I'd guessed that the data usage accrued throughout the day was submitted to 02 in one large chunk. However, on the 26th April I used 340MB of my 500MB data allowance, and the next day used a further 180MB!


I couldn't understand where this had come from; I do not live-stream TV or radio over 3G. I don't even do that over Wi-Fi! I don't download anything over 3G. Whilst I'm at work and whilst I'm at home I'm under a Wi-Fi connection. The only data allowance I might use is a quick check of Facebook for 5 minutes before I walk into work in a morning.


Now, on the two days that I've accrued these massive data usages, I made several Facetime calls to my partner who was away training for a new job. This is the only thing that I've done differently. I thought that Facetime usage came out of your Wi-Fi and NOT your data allowance.


Anyway, through 02's website, they offer a chat service with their online representatives. I used this service to talk to someone who, I had hoped, might have been able to help. Now through subsequent phone calls to 02 I have actually learnt that much of what this person told me is untrue but here is what i was told.


Facetime calls are chargeable.

  • The person later corrected herself on this.


Facetime calls will start via Wi-Fi but if, for whatever reason, connection is lost, Facetime will be maintained via 3G; "If some time the Wi-Fi get discoonected you connected to 3G for the beter responce" 02's representative explained.

  • I don't think that this is true but it might explain my massive data use; the call was about an hour long. Having said that, how do iPod Touches maintain their connection; I've got a 4G Touch and despite using it for the occasional Facetime call, have never had a problem.


Facetime depletes your data allowance

  • I thought that the fact that Facetime is done over Wi-Fi means that it would be deducted from the unlimited Wi-Fi allowance and NOT the 3G/data allowance.


The person then seemingly contradicted herself by saying that Facetime calls made over Wi-Fi are completely at Internet Service Provider's costing & discretion. The lady explained: "I'm sorry for this but the Facetime is work on Wi-Fi and the Wi-Fi service providers are different"


The person told me to delete Facetime so as to better conserve my data allowance if I needed to make it last!

  • I don't think this is even possible. I explained this and she then said "No, don't delete Facetime".


After that I think I was even more concerned than when I started!!


At this point the lady offered me a £2 credit against my account, which whilst appreciated, doesn't really solve the problem. She gave me 02's iPhone Technical Support line (2302) as it was a "technical issue".




Now, having rung 02 and explained the situation, they explained that whilst Facetime wasn't strictly chargeable, it does still come off your data allowance. However, if you exceed your 500MB data allowance, you do not get charged any more, the level of service is simply a "bit slower". In essence, it was explained, the Facetime calls hadn't cost me anything.


I explained that whilst the calls weren't costing me anything in themselves, I was still having to pay extra to maintain the same service-level that I had previously experienced. The lady agreed with what I was saying and said that she would consult with two different departments to see if she could trace what the large data-usages originated from.


The lady returned and explained that, further to her discussions with other departments, Facetime couldn't possibly be the result of the data usage. She said that it had to be TV/Radio streaming. I know categorically that the only thing that I used my iPhone for that night was the Facetime calls. I don't stream any content at all! For viewing of any content I use a TV or, for iPlayer, my PS3 or iPad, but never my iPhone!


I stressed this to the lady that it could only be the Facetime and she denied that it could be. She went back to her department and checked again. Upon her return she asked what time I had made the Facetime calls (which were around 8pm). Having explained this she said that the data usage occurred at 00:00:00 and that as such it could not have been the Facetime calls. I know that Facetime calls can't be done over 3G so I can see the point that she's making but what else could it be?? And at that time??


I looked at the bill myself and pointed out that at 00:00:00 almost every night I had a data-usage, not just on the nights in question. I said that having already noticed this previously, I assumed that the iPhone simply submitted the total data-usage in one go and not just as-and-when. The lady said that data would be submitted as it was used and that, with neither party able to explain the usage, it must be down to a third-party using my data allowance remotely from the phone overnight.


I don't think that data is shown on the bill as and when it was used because on occasions when I know I've used 3G, no mention is made on the bill.




Now my partner has 02 and we had checked that bill to see whether he had a massive data usage which corresponded to mine, which he didn't. He has data usages at midnight most-nights but for the Facetime calls (some of which were made by him) he has no excessive data usage.


I've searched via Google and found various other people on various other networks who have the same mysterious midnight data-usages.


Still on the phone with the poor lady from 02 I pointed this out, which she couldn't really answer. She said that she was contacting a Security department who could directly check what the content related to and that she would get back to me within 5 days, which, with the current Bank Holidays in the UK, is likely to be a week on Tuesday. She remains adamant that my iPhone is being accessed remotely, or "is being updated by third-party apps" which, with the number of people having similar midnight data issues, I doubt.


I know this has turned out to be a mammoth post, and for that I'm sorry, but has anyone else had similar experiences? How have they been resolved?


Does Facetime get taken off your data allowance? One person from 02 says yes, another says no.


Finally what could the two massive data-usages relate to, if not Facetime? I know that there's likely no way to prove that I wasn't streaming TV/radio content but I can say with absolute certainty that no such feature was used.


We had used the GPS for hiking one day in the month but my usage for that particular day in question was only about 30MB so I've ruled that out.


The icing on the cake was that at the end of the conversation, when it was explained that all that could be done was wait for the Security department to get back in touch, the lady asked me "What are iPhones like then? Mine's been delivered today and is waiting for me at home."


Suffice to say I was shocked almost speechless. Almost anyway...


I've got her line & extension number so in the event that she doesn't bother to call me back, I can call her.


Hope you can offer some insight though!!

J.

iPhone 4, iOS 4.3.1

Posted on Apr 30, 2011 11:20 AM

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Jun 1, 2012 1:38 AM in response to Lawrence Finch

Likewise - I bet on Facebook, or...Mailonline. My g/f uses those two (no more than average), but she has settings for MO set to update on wifi only (but I think its only the pics). I'll check her fb settings this weekend. Apart from those two she and I use data for the same reasons, and whereas I use 80-90Mb a month, she uses 400-500Mb, and (as mentioned before) she has the mysterious overnight huge usages, she's ALWAYS asleep, and anyway ALWAYS hooked up to wifi.


Apple and O2 need to put their heads together. Apple should be responsible for apps creators they have vetted, and its O2 who are billing us ! Two words for them...CLASS ACTION.

Jun 1, 2012 2:09 AM in response to mentalasanything

So how come those of us who don't use Facebook have also suffered from this?


My own view remains that it is simply a scam to get customers to buy bigger data allowances. I did, partly because I could not afford to have O2 curtail my account for several weeks again, but partly because I wanted to tether my iPad to the phone and expected bigger use in future. Since then, I have had no problem - BUT my data usage has actually hardly ever exceeded my original contract allowance.

Jun 1, 2012 2:46 AM in response to Tomp2

If it's any help, Dataman keeps accurate records of my usage. I left both 3G and WiFi on by mistake the other night (30-31/5/12) although the only apps on were Dataman and Onavo, which I leave on permenantly.


The Wifi used 242.1Kb whilst the 3G used 16.5Kb. I then checked the App Watch function and the only app showing up was 'Push Service".


Most nights I turn off both WiFi and 3G, and I've said before I only turn on 3G when I leave the house and then if I know I'm going to need it. Push service seems to be on all the time and it takes data at a trickle which if it's plugged in charging, is always on WiFi.


I regularly check my usage with O2 and it is still showing on the bill as coming off in the early hours, but it corresponds with the Data usage as recorded by Dataman for the previous day.


Since I started turning off all the apps after use, my data usage is in line with what I've used since I first got the phone. I've had no "spikes" of massive usage. Maybe turning off apps after use is the answer?

Jun 1, 2012 3:42 AM in response to ian185

I'm not saying its only facebook. I suspect there are several apps out there which do not control how their automated data updating works, and if, say, the wifi hesitates, or drops, it automatically goes to 3G download.


I know Mail Online (which seems to otherwise be a fine app) updates significantly to make your experience better - but I suspect the app is a bit out of control. There isn't an option in it to only update over wifi.


I'm sure there are other apps like it, as the mysterious data usage is across many users, and has been for a long time, and we still haven't been able to zero in on one specific app.


However, we all seem to have Apple (obviously) an O2, in common.

Jun 12, 2012 12:17 PM in response to JPlace86

I too am having this problem with my IPad using GiffGaff which is piggybacking off O2

When I tether my iPad from my iPhone (vodafone) I don't use more than 4mb on my journeys to work, but as soon as I use the 3G from the sim card GiffGaff it seems to drain the crap out of it! 32mb the same journey time! (using the same apps give or take). To me this is a ISP issue and not a IOS issue.

I'm going to try and swap sim card/ISP to test my theory.

Jul 6, 2012 9:39 AM in response to purpleberry

Same problem for me. This is what O2 just told me:


o2: I notice that a large amount of your data has been used at 00:00:00 hours. This only shows when any Internet related Application are running on your phone even after you've finished the session.When you access iTunes or any other Internet related app on your phone say radio, then the phone connects to the Internet and the Internet session starts. Once you're done using the Internet, you do exit the Application but in the background the App is still running. When the Application is still running even through you've exited the session, that's when your data gets used up.


You'll just need to switch off the phone and switch it on back every time after you've used the Internet. This will ensure that the previous session ends and a new session starts every time you access the Internet.


Now doesnt that sound like there is a problem at o2's end ?

Jul 7, 2012 1:46 AM in response to Jamie Wood

I maintain its Apple's fault morally, but they don't have a liability. Based on my experience, and a lot of the above posts, there are apps out there which update, and download in the background in order to improve the functionality. Apple vet these apps. It seems that - say at midnight, if the wifi is inactive, it switches off or drops the connection (or perhaps the router disconnects). Then if the wifi isn't available at that moment it goes into 3G, and data.


I have proven it: I go to the trouble of only switching data on when I actively want it (how "Smart" is that ?), whereas my girlfriend can't be bothered with that so tends to switch on, and leave on. Then when bill time comes she's up at 500Mb+, whereas I am under 100Mb.


Now, we all have different wifi routers, and different apps, but... we all have the same iPhones. And, actually, it seems most of us are with O2, but its the Apple-supplied hardware (iphone) or vetted technology (apps) that is causing it. If Apple took the time to look at (I called them to report it originally as per my previous post, and - this is after all a forum hosted on their site !) I'm sure we'd have an answer - e.g. requiring apps to include an option to forbid background operating in 3G.


But - without any Apple input or acknowledgement, we are just wasting our time on this forum.

Aug 10, 2012 12:45 PM in response to mentalasanything

Folks, this was bothering me for ages as well. I gave up hope in O2 finding a solution and have turned to Giff Gaff as they offer a great deal with unlimited data (My data usage was still remaining higher than expected though).


However, when I was checking My iCloud settings recently I noticed that the default settings permits it to back up documents & data whilst on cellular data when wi-fi is not available. This will account for the data drainage during the night and when your iPhone is not in use.


This may be a long shot but I think that if you disable this, your usage may decrease significantly.


Go to Settings > iCloud > Documents & Data

and toggle the 'Use Cellular' to the Off position.


Let me know if that helps!

Unexplained 02 Data Allowance Drain at Midnight

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