Ipad - Flash Player

"Apple is a company that was founded upon the idea that its users and their input and requests drive the innovations that Apple has created."

You must be thinking of Apple Records or some other compang. Apple has never been one to wait for what the "majority" of users want & then implement it. They have always gone in whatever direction the management of Apple thought they should go. And they were found upon the idea to sell computers and make money. I doubt users were sending in requests to drop the floppy drive. Or go from Motorola to PowerPC processors. Or PowerPC to Intel. Each time many users wrote in to object to the changes.

Especially under Mr. Jobs, Apple has gone their own way, pundits have frequently declared that Apple is doomed and users have disagreed with their direction. But no amount of posts here (and 1 per day since the iPhone would be less than 2,000) will impact anything. If people like Philly sell their iPad and buy a competing tablet that does Flash they might consider a change (like they did with 3rd party apps). That isn't happening so don't look for any change from Apple.

+100 million users are satisfied enough with iOS to not have flash.

There were probably thousands of requests not to go from PowerPC to Intel. I know people who still won't buy an Intel Mac. And the move was widely questioned.

You are right, when you sift out the repeaters, etc there have probably been 4 to 5 thousand posts since the original iPhone. And how many iOS devices have been sold in that time period? I think there were about as many when they removed FW 800 from the MacBook.

The great news is there are competing companies and other devices. If Adobe stops making Flash for OS X (not outside the realm of possibility) one can always go with Windows or Linux or Chrome or Android. Lots of tools, just pick the one that is appropriate for you. If Mr. Jobs has made the wrong call the marketplace will punish him and he'll have to make a change, just like his decision on 3rd party apps for the iPhone. Time will tell.

I'm not questioning the value of Mr. Jobs' marketing call. Heck, I want Flash yet, even without it, the iPad is a valuable product for me. I am, however, questioning Mr. Jobs' intransigence to provide an enable/disable switch. He was willing to put a switch on the iPad to satisfy those that couldn't figure out how to lock the screen rotation. Why is he so determined to prove a point with Adobe products? I've said all along that it's his personal pizzing contest and I stand by that position.

A lot of difference between a physical switch and software to change the status of it, or orientation. An enable/disable switch for Flash would be far, far more difficult and probably not feasible.

He was also intransigent about taking diskette drives from Macs. The result: everyone else did the same thing. I'll take his "Thoughts on Flash" at face value and not read anything more into it. I don't think it is a "pizzing" contest at all, it is a very high stakes business decision, just like the iPod was, the move to Intel, Google vs. Facebook (is that also a "pizzing" contest), Google vs. Amazon, Microsoft vs. Google, etc. Is not allowing Java on iOS a "pizzing" contest between Apple and Sun?

deggie wrote:

A lot of difference between a physical switch and software to change the status of it, or orientation.

It's not a physical switch. It's a software switch that was added in Settings that determines whether orientation is locked by the physical switch on the side of the iPad or by the software switch in the Recents tray.

deggie wrote:

An enable/disable switch for Flash would be far, far more difficult and probably not feasible.

Click-to-Flash is far more difficult and probably not feasible? Tell that to those that use it on their Macs. I tried it but found that I was always making the same decision ("Allow") so I trashed it. However, it does work real well. No reason why a version can not be made for the iPad.

deggie wrote:

He was also intransigent about taking diskette drives from Macs.

Yes and external diskette drives were available for those that wanted them. Unfortunately, we can't do much comparison regarding quantity of complaints because the Internet wasn't even available to the public at that time.

deggie wrote:

I'll take his "Thoughts on Flash" at face value and not read anything more into it. I don't think it is a "pizzing" contest at all, it is a very high stakes business decision, just like the iPod was, the move to Intel, Google vs. Facebook (is that also a "pizzing" contest), Google vs. Amazon, Microsoft vs. Google, etc. Is not allowing Java on iOS a "pizzing" contest between Apple and Sun?

None of that is fact. It is all your opinion and, of course, you're entitled to it. It is not my opinion and I'm entitled to mine.

Chris CA wrote:

+100 million users are satisfied enough with iOS to not have flash.

A hundred million users might own IOS devices but that does not mean that they are all satisfied with the lack of Flash. For all you know, it's entirely possible that 99 million users want Flash support. Simply because the absence of Flash is not a deal-breaker does not mean that they're happy about it.

The Gospel according to Saint Steve does not convince me.

It is a small software switch that controls the behavior of a physical switch or the physical rotation of the device.

Click to Flash is written for OS X, a major difference from iOS. And it actually doesn't disable Flash, it more accurately "hides" it.

Yes they were but they were not bootable. And yes, the internet was available as were BBS's. And they were quite active regarding the move.

What part of that is not "fact"? The only fact we are dealing with is the "Thoughts on Flash". You want to read into it that it is not forthcoming and it really describes a "pizzing" contest. Your right to think that but I don't believe you can point to anything concrete in the memo that would support it. And you really don't think it is a high stakes business decision with probably billions of dollars riding on it? You don't think that Google and Facebook are in competition (with Facebook making a really stupid move)? You don't think Google and Amazon or going to face off in the commerce arena? And through in Apple when it comes to music in the cloud. None of those are "facts"? You say they are not competing? What world are you living in?

deggie wrote:

And yes, the internet was available as were BBS's. And they were quite active regarding the move.

This was 1984, four years before the Internet was made available to the public.

Ask Saint Steve. He'll tell you.

Sorry, but not that was not 1984 when the diskette drive was removed.

Sorry but the Mac never had the 5-1/4 diskette. The Mac was introduced in 1984. Perhaps you're talking about the single-sided low-density 3-1/2 diskette. Sorry but that was no big deal. No one really cared because the new drive read all the old disks. At least mine did.

Besides, I really don't care. The disk drive has nothing to do with Flash.

Satisfied does not necessarily mean completely happy.

it's entirely possible that 99 million users want Flash support.

and? They are satisfied without it. If they were not, they'd get rid of there iOS device. Or put it in the closet. Or simply not use it. But this is far from the case.

You keep jumping on me and calling me names and telling me to go to (someplace censored) because your arguments fall flat and you cannot carry on a decent conversation.. You keep changing from one post to the next and responding to things I did not write.

Flash is not available, for a few reasons.

I don't think I have said much about how good/bad it is, simply that it is not allowed.

The Gospel according to Saint Steve does not convince me.

I don't know what your (attempt at some clever) rhetoric means.

I don't believe Steve is trying to convince you of anything. He simply stated the reasons Apple does not allow Flash. Which of those reasons was invalid/not correct?

And Adobe, even though they tried, it seems were not able to make an acceptable (even to Adobe) version of Flash for iOS.

If they had done so, you don't think they would have been shouting it from the rooftops and showing it off?

And again, you'll probably manage to get yet another thread deleted.

Grow up...

For the impetuous who want everything now regardless of stability and performance, there are trinket hardware, opsys and applications aplenty - quit crying...just switch. Apple has given me a tool that I can rely on, and have protected the experience by being selective in what apps they release. Very good trade in my opinion. It is the best tool out there and worth being patient for more stuff to come.

Simple,Apple wants more people to use Quickplayer videos instead of Flash videos,but there are some apps in the app store that supports flash videos, but they usually crash.But I have feeling,apple has already got rid off that app.FYI,there is a third party app(Frash) that will work,but i think it requires jailbreak for the iPad.

tiam sau wrote:

Simple,Apple wants more people to use Quickplayer videos

What is "QuickPlayer"?
Perhaps you mean QuickTime? The iPad does not play QuickTime video.

And Flash is not a video format. it is a container which can contain video.