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Waveburner's DDP is BROKEN!!! - Catastrophically broken

Warning.


When creating DDP master file sets with Waveburner, beware that your track markers can move and no longer be where you had placed them in the Waveburner session. DDP files are strictly for professional mastering and delivery for replication. It's tragic that Apple has offered this professional feature that is dangerously non-functional in Waveburner. Just the other day we were finishing a critical deadline project for Decca/Universal Records set for a very large release. We had the master assembled and playing perfectly in Waveburner 1.6.1. Then we created a DDP file set from Waveburner. Then we used Sonoris DDP Player to audition and confirm the audio was clean with no glitches. The audio was sounding fine, so we initiated the DDP upload to Decca/Universal Records FTP site. As we continued to audition the audio, I noticed visually that the tracks were jumping after the audio had started. So we aborted the upload and looked more closely at the issue. Sure enough, Waveburner's DDP file had scooted all the track markers late by a little bit, literally chopping off the start of every track by about a second or so. I had to go back into the Waveburner session and literally move all 32 track markers early to compensate for this DDP glitch. We finally were able to generate an acceptable DDP, but not without a major panic and headache.


The Mastering data (PQ sheet) that was printed from the Waveburner file did NOT match the actual time codes found in the DDP file set. This too is absurd. The PQ sheet data is used along with the DDP so the replicator can confirm that everything matches. But the codes don't match at all. This is a serious problem for Waveburner.


We now know to steer clear of Waveburner's DDP function. It's catastrophically broken. For many people who own Waveburner, they may not also own the professional DDP players required to play back a DDP and confirm its condition. I wonder how many people have generated DDP masters from Waveburner and sent them off to be replicated only to find that their track starts had all moved from where they placed them in the Waveburner session. It's a scary thought.


Apple, you simply can't offer this DDP feature in Waveburner until you fix it. DDP is a seriously professional method of master delivery and currently it's a severe failure. I and a few others are warning the mastering community of this danger. Waveburner has such incredible potential with it's deep functionality, but it still has a few issues that are keeping it amateur, consumer software at best and not the pro app it claims to be or is destined to become someday. I truly want it to get there, but until it does, I'm simply afraid to trust it. If it does get its bugs worked out, I'll be a huge supporter.


Brad Sarno

Blue Jade Audio Mastering

Posted on May 19, 2011 2:34 PM

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Oct 9, 2012 7:36 AM in response to bradsarno

I honestly think that Apple has decided to let Waveburner die in waste. There has been zero support or fixing done in the past year. They've abandoned it completely it seems with no signs of interest in keeping it alive.


Fortunately there are other options now as developers have taken advantage of this fact that Waveburner has been ditched by Apple.


Wavelab has jumped on it.


Look into DSP Quattro. It's not as smooth and slick and rich in the automation department as WB, but it does work well and does create reliable DDP images. Hard to beat the price too.


Also PreSonus, believe it or not, is currently developing their version of a similar app as well. Very impressive and enticing. Check it out.


So sad to see Apple blow this tremendous opportunity to be the leader in the Mac-based field of audio mastering, RedBook CD creation, and DDP master file generation. Really tragic, they could have ruled and dominated here. It was SO close and so good except for these small yet critical bugs. I'm amazed that Apple would drop the ball on this one. Really, really sad.


Brad

Oct 9, 2012 11:55 PM in response to Brad Sarno

Hi all,


He's anyone tried a DDP image lately? I, still using 1.6.1 and have figured out that as long as you put cd text in the DDP images burn fine!


I omitted the text for one cd and had a call from the pressing plant that tracks weren't aligned to the gaps, added cd text and it works fine. I would also recommend using Sonoris DDP player which is amazing value for money considering you can continue using Waveburner if you have both tools.


The beta version of audiofile engineering's 'wave editor' looks really promising too and much improved and the DDP export is simple and works a treat. Well worth the money when it is released.

Oct 10, 2012 1:08 AM in response to curvebender

So it seems the problem is inconsistent then and doesn't depend on the CD text being added. It was possibly just coincidence that this rectified the DDP in my situation but it could possibly have been something else, I'm just no sure what! And I guess if its unpredictable it simply can't be trusted for doing the job as a pro bit of software.


I think it's probably the to switch to wave editor even thought the workflow isn't as quick and easy as WB. It does work reliably (even the beta versions!) so this may be my backup software if WB breaks again.

Nov 29, 2012 12:33 PM in response to bradsarno

Hello, I'm new to this forum and I'm not sure if anyone is still involved in this thread - but I have a waveburner question/issue. Hard to explain, but here goes:


I mastered a 12 song disc and imported the 16bit/44.1 files into waveburner 1.5. Burnt the CD, plays great, everything is all good. After the CD was pressed I played it in my car stock stereo and very rarely, when I start the CD it skips a little off the bat. Once I change tracks and then go back it is working just great. This has also happened in one other car with a stock stereo. A couple hundred people have this CD, and it works great everywhere and this possible issue has not been mentioned to anybody.


I know now that Waveburner 1.5 has a 'bit rate error' but does anybody know if this is my problem and should I be worried about it happening elsewhere?


I think waveburner is very easy to use, but are their other programs that you guys use to burn your CD that is going to the printers?


Thanks!

Nov 29, 2012 3:20 PM in response to Brad Sarno

Currently, one of your best bets on a Mac based CD burning/mastering software similar to Waveburner would be DSP Quattro. It's not as deeply featured with regards to automation, but it DOES create reliable redbook pro masters and DDP file sets. It's a good program although not as fun and slick to work with as Waveburner. For me, until Apple re-hires some staff to actually address the serious Waveburner issues, I pretty much avoid it entirely and depend on Sonic's SoundBlade and DSP Quattro.


Apparently, Apple pulled all support staff off of Waveburner and it's been sitting there unfixed and unchanged for about 3 years now, just dead in the water. Very tragic as it's SO close to being the best thing out there. Just a couple bug fixes and then Apple would own that market for pro CD creation. So sad... such a waste...



Brad

Waveburner's DDP is BROKEN!!! - Catastrophically broken

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