unwanted stretching of 4:3 QT movies imported in iMovie

When importing QT movies (standard PAL 720x576 DV 4:3) into iMovie HD (latest version) these become stretched horizontally (the width is correct, the height is compressed and black bands are added above and below the image).
The same movies play at the right size and ratio from QuickTime as well as when I burn them on DVD.
I can't find an option to force iMovie to respect the original size/ratio; it does the same with and without the automatic resize option selected.
There must be an obvious and simple way to by-pass this problem but couldn't find it.
Any hints very welcome!!
Roberto

ibook Mac OS X (10.4.3)

ibook, Mac OS X (10.4.3)

Posted on Jan 10, 2006 9:05 AM

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Jan 10, 2006 9:33 AM in response to robat56

Roberto, when you creat in iMovie there is a small triangle that says video format. Click on it and it will give you the options of importing in DV ( 4:3), widescreen (16;9) and other options. If you are importing from a source shot in 4:3 then choose then choose DV. If you are importing from a source 16:9 then choose widescreen. I had this same problem, I was importing widescreen into the DV choice and iMovie would then letterbox all of the clips and put dark boarders on top and botom. After I changed the option to widescreen everything worked great. from another Roberto

Jan 10, 2006 3:03 PM in response to robat56

We are pulling our hair out with exactly the same problem. We can't seem to import any video clips without it stretching to 6:9 format regardless of project settings. It even has the DV mode written on the top of the window. I would include a screen capture here if I could.

The same video clips open in the correct 4:3 dimensions in quicktime or any other software.

The only thing I can think off which may have lead to iMovie being scrambled is that two days ago we streamed some 6:9 HD footage from our Sony HVR-A1E camera. That worked fine but we haven't been able to import any 4:3 footage since. Any help would certainly be appreciated.

Jan 10, 2006 4:01 PM in response to Manu Vallyon

I am glad I am not the only one having the same problem.
I have tried importing different kinds of QT, saved in different formats (.DV .Mov .MP4 interlaced and non etc etc) exported from QuickTime and from After Effects or imported directly from miniDV to see if there was any recognizable pattern or any clue as to possible causes, but it seems to be random, it has happened with most movies, not all and irrespective of format.
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iBook G4 Mac OS X (10.4.3)

iBook G4 Mac OS X (10.4.3)

Jan 31, 2006 8:31 AM in response to robat56

I have also just spent the last week or so trying to solve this problem! I was so glad to finally find a thread where other people seem to be suffering the same issues.

Has anyone discovered a solution to this? My situation is exactly as described above. In trying to trace back to where the problem first began, I think it was when I imported some letterbox footage into a 4:3 movie.

Ever since then I have been unable to import 4:3 movies properly. Everything is "squishing" into letterbox format (and before it is suggested, I don't have the automatic letterboxing button selected in preferences). This must be an iMovie bug because when I open up an old project in which files imported correctly and I try to import the SAME files that have remained unchanged since then - they will squish into a letterbox size! (I hope that makes sense)

Is there any word on whether this bug has been addressed?

Someone please HELP!!!

Feb 1, 2006 12:54 PM in response to Stephen Tolton

I need to stress that this issue cannot be fixed by deselecting the "Automatic DV Pillarboxing & Letterboxing" button in the Preferences menu.

I have tried that already. In fact, I have tried every possible combination of selections in the Preferences menu! It seems to me that by importing a 16:9 video into a 4:3 project I was working on, has damaged the application itself.

Even when I go back to an old project (one that I created BEFORE this problem occured) and try to import the SAME files I used to create the movie (which I must clarify have not been altered in any way), they will import "squished" into letterbox format with the black bars on the top and the bottom of the screen.

I even tried to reinstall iMovie with no success.

Again, this problem CANNOT be fixed by deselecting the "Automatic DV Pillarboxing & Letterboxing" button in the preferences window.

I am desperate for a solution - if anyone has other suggestions to this PLEASE post your responses!

Thank you!!!

Feb 2, 2006 6:29 AM in response to SDIllini

That sounded hopeful, but I am afraid all my movies (the ones I had problems with) were from the latest version of QuickTime, so we are still at the same point.
Any official word from Apple? At this point, several weeks after distribution, it would be nice if they could confirm there is a bug and if it is being fixed.

Roberto

Feb 2, 2006 8:40 PM in response to robat56

Subject: Unwanted stretching of 4:3 digital movies imported to iMovie5 and iMovie6 from camera

To everybody who needs more clarity on aspect ratio problems:

Working with iMovie 5.02 and QuicktimePro 7.04, all my final playback of completed movies occurred with aspect ratios going out of whack, even movies I had created with previous iMovie versions.

Starting with a Sony TRV350 digital movie camera of a 4:3 picture aspect ratio, the resultant film was imported to iMovie5 (and this was also tried with iMovie6), and as long as the clips were still in the clips pane, their aspect ratio remained satisfactory at 720 x 540, but as soon as clips are moved to the Time Line they loose about 10% of their height.

This can be verified by duplicating the frame of a clip in the clips Pane as a "Still Frame", and exporting it to the Desktop as a .jpeg picture. Highlight the .Jpeg on the desktop, open “Desktop/File/GetInfo” and select change to “Open with Preview”. Then open (with Preview), go to “Window/Document Info”, and it will read the Image Size as (with my camera input) 720 x 528 pixels, which proves the aspect ratio in the imported clips is approximately 4:3.

Since (720 : 4) x 3 = 540 , there are only 12 pixels difference from true 4:3 (they seem to get lost in conversion to .jpeg)

Now if we go back to iMovie 05, drag the same clip into the time line, select it to see it in the Editing Window of iMovie, where it can be seen with the distortion already having occurred. This distortion could be described as horizontal stretching or vertical squeezing.

To find out find out how much distortion and where it is, go to “Edit/Create Still Frame” and a still frame of the distorted clip is added to the end of the Time Line. Drag it from there to the Clips Pane, and from the clips Pane to the Desktop. Click on it, and it will open with Quicktime Player.

Then go to “QuickTime Player/View/Actual Size”, and then to “QuickTime Player/Window/Show Movie Info” and it will display 720 x 480 as “Normal Size” as well as “Actual Size”.

In other words the picture has been flattened vertically so much, that its 540 pixel height taken by the camera has been reduced to 480 pixels, which is a loss of 60 pixels from its actual vertical camera taken picture height, and the original 4:3 ratio has been changed by this defective software to a 3:2 ratio. This is a loss of more than 10% of the height of the picture.

When both the Preview .jpeg and iMovie clip.dv are opened side by side on the Desktop, and compared, there appears to be nothing missing or clipped off at either the top or bottom of either picture, which is proof that the iMovie in the derived .dv pic has been vertically distorted by the new iMovie software, squeezing the height of the picture approximately 10%, and whoever walks around in the film looks dwarfed and distorted as if reflected in a fun house mirror.

Having an old version iMovie 2.1.2 on my System 9.2.2, I then tried the same procedure with it, in the same manner, except that I got the actual pixel info by opening the still and the jpeg with Adobe Photoshop. They both returned 640 x 480 pixels a true 4:3 ratio.

I almost bought iMovie6, but was wise enought to bring my camera to the store to try the same procedures on their demo computer loaded with OS 10.4 and iMovie6, only to find that this software is not any better as it also changes your movies to fun house pictures.

Since I have several hard drives on my Mac to accomodate all my movie work, I decided to reload iMovie 4.02 on one of the drives. I tried the same procedure of down-loading and checking the picture aspect ratio with iMovie 4, and it works perfect, keeping the aspect ratio at 4:3 loading it loads it as 640 x 480 pixels.

Since then I only use iMovie4 to import movies from my camera, and to do the editing. Once that has been done I export to another hard drive on my Mac that has iMovie5 on it. There I open it with iMovie 5, share it with iDVD5 with which I then further process it with the extra menus, and create a final disk image. The image can then be processed into a DVD with either iDVD, or Toast. The latter gives all sorts of extra options, and allows dbl. layer DVDs, etc.

If you have QuicktimePro, there is another way to force iMovie 5 into a 4: 3 ratio, by a rather difficult step by step procedure, given in iMovie5 Help. After you have succeeded to execute these steps given in Help, you have to wait for a long time for the Quicktime movie to recreate itself and change the aspect ratio. Once that is done you will may see a change in the iMovie editing screen which will change to 4:3 aspect ratio once you start playing the movie in the editing window.

However I found that it does not always work, and furthermore, it is often right back to the old 3:2 aspect problem if the iMovieProject is reloaded. I have not been able to figure out why this occurs.

The final answer is that both iMovie5 and iMovie6 are not
able to maintain the 4:3 camera aspect imported, no matter whether run on Panther or Tiger OS.

This problem has been discussed since January 2005, in many different MAC oriented forums and there seems no solution other than working with the previous iMovie 4 software to maintain correct aspect ratio import.

I think an update to iMovie 5 and iMovie 6 is overdue.

Since Apple has not even had the courtesy to acknowledge that they created this problem, it seems now unlikely that they will still come up with an update.

Nobody from Apple has provided us (their customers) with any hope in this respect.

Feb 2, 2006 10:44 PM in response to Number22

Actually iMovie 5 does the aspect ratio stuff quite well (I haven't yet checked how v6 does). iMovie 1-4 were sloppier but the error is quite small so it goes unnoticed unless looked for.

1st: video uses rectangular pixels. 2nd: iMovie converts it to square pixels when saving as a still frame. I think you mixed images with different types of pixel dimensions in your comparisions.

For example:

The correct resolution when converting rectangular pixel NTSC 720x480 DV to square pixel image is 656x480. Another correct alternative would be to 1st scale to 656x480 and then crop it with 8 pixels from both sides so that the final image is 640x480. iMovie 5 scales to 720x528.

The correct resolution when converting rectangular pixel PAL 720x576 DV to square pixel image is 788x576. Another correct alternative would be to 1st scale to 788x576 and then crop it with 10 pixels from both sides so that the final image is 768x576. iMovie 5 scales to 784x576.

The same applies also when converting square pixel images to video, see the details at:

http://www.sjoki.uta.fi/~shmhav/iMovieHD_5bugs.html#stills

iMovie 1-4 completely filled the image area with 4:3 still images. With iMovie 5 the math is not so easy but it is the correct thing to do:

If you want no black borders to the imported still images in 4:3 video projects, their aspect ratio must be NTSC 720x528 or PAL 788x576 or some larger multiple of those figures (NTSC 1024x751, 2048x1502, 2095x1536 etc, or PAL 1024x749, 2048x1497, 2101x1536 etc).

If you want no black borders to the imported still images in 16:9 video projects, their aspect ratio must be NTSC 874x480 or PAL 1050x576 or some larger multiple of those figures.

And for the ultimate authority in this headache-inducing stuff is:

http://www.iki.fi/znark/video/conversion/

It is very easy to overthink (and underthink!) these things.

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