unwanted stretching of 4:3 QT movies imported in iMovie

When importing QT movies (standard PAL 720x576 DV 4:3) into iMovie HD (latest version) these become stretched horizontally (the width is correct, the height is compressed and black bands are added above and below the image).
The same movies play at the right size and ratio from QuickTime as well as when I burn them on DVD.
I can't find an option to force iMovie to respect the original size/ratio; it does the same with and without the automatic resize option selected.
There must be an obvious and simple way to by-pass this problem but couldn't find it.
Any hints very welcome!!
Roberto

ibook Mac OS X (10.4.3)

ibook, Mac OS X (10.4.3)

Posted on Jan 10, 2006 9:05 AM

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Feb 3, 2006 11:41 AM in response to robat56

I GOT IT!!!

After about 2 weeks of struggling with this problem I have got a work around.

I used MPEG Streamclip 1.0.5 to re-export the file as a QT .MOV file using the settings posted in this image. Please repost the image if this works for you It will only stay posted for so many downloads.

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Feb 7, 2006 6:51 PM in response to robat56

With all due respect to the details provided in Matti Havari's comment of Feb 3/06, I believe the basics have not been considered in his science. We are really not comparing pictures with videos, but are comparing digital videos with digital videos.

He states that video uses rectangular pixels, while pictures use square pixels, and explains this may be the difference in the aspect ratio between the two samples I took in my experiment of getting information from clips in the clips pane and clips from the time line.

But he fact is we are we are really not comparing pictures with videos, but are comparing digital videos with digital videos.

So, if my digital video has already rectangular pixels and I import such video from my digital movie camera why would iMovie 5 and 6 need to change the pixel dimension (to make them even wider) so they appear out of aspect ratio?

And why does iMovie 2 and iMovie 4 not make the same change
- they are all dealing with the same sample video here - the exact same clips.

Does iMovie 2 and 4 import pictures from the digital movie camera and not recognize that video coming from there has rectangular pixels?

And if the pixels are square coming from the digital movie camera does that imply that iMovie 2 and 4 were wrong to keep this pixel shape thus not changing the aspect ratio?

While Matti's cited science maybe fully correct, there is still the problem that iMovie 5 and 6 will display a circle filmed with a digital camera as an oval, with its width more than 10% greater than its height.

This same circle will remain a circle after import to iMovie 2 and 4.

So that means that iMovie 5 and 6 remain defective software
until proven otherwise.

MAC 1.25 GHz Power PC G4 Mac OS X (10.4.3) Matti Haveri

Feb 7, 2006 10:37 PM in response to Number22

but as soon as clips are moved to the Time Line they loose about 10% of their height.


Hmm. I have never seen that kind of behaviour (different aspect ratio in the Clips pane vs in the Timeline) with PAL or with my limited NTSC experience.

This can be verified by duplicating the frame of a clip in the clips Pane as a "Still Frame"


This creates a 720x480 1-frame rectangular pixel DV clip to the iMovie's Media folder, which is the correct thing to do.

exporting it to the Desktop as a .jpeg picture.


Now, here iMovie converts rectangular pixels to square so it scales the image to 720x528, which is OK. I would scale it to 656x480 but the aspect ratio is the same anyway. (Maybe Apple wants to save the still images to a resolution which doesn't have to be upsampled in any direction when re-importing it back to iMovie (656x480 must be upsampled to 720x480).

Since (720 : 4) x 3 = 540 , there are only 12 pixels difference from true 4:3 (they seem to get lost in conversion to .jpeg)


A correct conversion requires scaling.

It is not common knowledge that the actual active NTSC DV picture size is as weird as 710.85x486 and the pixel aspect ratio in THAT is 4320/4739. And (710.85x486)x(4320/4739) = 4:3. Exactly! THAT is the 4:3 ratio on a TV!!

iMovie 5 and 6 do this complex thing right.

Now if we go back to iMovie 05, drag the same clip into the time line, select it to see it in the Editing Window of iMovie, where it can be seen with the distortion already having occurred. This distortion could be described as horizontal stretching or vertical squeezing.


Hmm. I don't see any distortion.

To find out find out how much distortion and where it is, go to “Edit/Create Still Frame” and a still frame of the distorted clip is added to the end of the Time Line. Drag it from there to the Clips Pane, and from the clips Pane to the Desktop. Click on it, and it will open with Quicktime Player. Then go to “QuickTime Player/View/Actual Size”, and then to “QuickTime Player/Window/Show Movie Info” and it will display 720 x 480 as “Normal Size” as well as “Actual Size”.


Yes, it uses 720x480 rectangular pixels because it is a 1-frame video clip, not a still frame. I would expect iMovie to behave like this.

In other words the picture has been flattened vertically so much, that its 540 pixel height taken by the camera has been reduced to 480 pixels, which is a loss of 60 pixels from its actual vertical camera taken picture height, and the original 4:3 ratio has been changed by this defective software to a 3:2 ratio. This is a loss of more than 10% of the height of the picture.


Now you are comparing rectangular pixels to square pixels.

When both the Preview .jpeg and iMovie clip.dv are opened side by side on the Desktop, and compared, there appears to be nothing missing or clipped off at either the top or bottom of either picture, which is proof that the iMovie in the derived .dv pic has been vertically distorted by the new iMovie software, squeezing the height of the picture approximately 10%, and whoever walks around in the film looks dwarfed and distorted as if reflected in a fun house mirror.


That's the way rectangular pixels look on a computer monitor. BTW, iMovie scales the rectangular pixel video behind the scenes to square pixels in its display window.

Having an old version iMovie 2.1.2 on my System 9.2.2, I then tried the same procedure with it, in the same manner, except that I got the actual pixel info by opening the still and the jpeg with Adobe Photoshop. They both returned 640 x 480 pixels a true 4:3 ratio.


iMovie 1-4 were sloppier than iMovie 5-6 with their pixel handling. Fortunately the error was small so it usually goes unnoticed.

I have bashed iMovie and Apple with other stuff but I don't see a problem with this particular issue. Infact, I'm surprised how well iMovie 5 and 6 work with this.

I just got iMovie 6 and the first impressions are OK: It feels almost as robust as iMovie 1.0.2 and iMovie 2.1.2 😉

p.s. I don't mean to offend you in any way. I'm just trying to prove my point. The video world is full of strange gotchas which may puzzle the user, especially when the applications automatically handle some obscure stuff behind the scenes. Usually you can trust the applications but I always verify the critical parts with every major upgrade.

Mar 21, 2006 6:55 AM in response to SDIllini

Hello

My take on this is that iMovie used to be easy and a joy to use and worked as intended. That is why I use a Mac, that is why I have bought Apple products in the past.

Since iMovie '05 it has become useless. It is incredible (see http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=968982#968982) we have been discussing all of these incredible work arounds for over a year now.

For over a year I have tried it all without success. On this issue we are no better off than the average PC user, and Apple is behaving no better than Microsoft. It is time Apple acknowledge and resolve this problem. A full year and a whole new generation of iMovie ('06), and $80 later, with this persisting problem.

I fear this is becoming Apple's "modus operandi". I rushed to buy iLife and iWork '05, only to find they did not delivered as promised and advertised. A new year and new versions have yet to address the original unfulfilled promises. Not only will I not buy the latest versions, Apple should refund us all for the '05 versions.

I use Alchemy DVR to record TV shows or digitize videos. iMovie '04 works well, however, due to its 9 second clip limit I am unable to make use of it (unless I spent hours creating clips). So I am about to give up. I am bitterly disapointed, I can't tell you all the hours I have wasted on this issue (as many of you have). I think we should be discussing alternative software at this point. Feedback is appreciated.

Apple, are you out there?

G5 Dual 2 GHz Mac OS X (10.4.5)

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