Lion family pack with multiple Apple IDs?

I found it out

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3196888

all the info i have found regarding policies on os lion installation for the family/multiple macs. It is very long but i suggest you read it to get the whole message. I copied emails i sent and recieved from an apple representative. Hopefully this will clear things up.

I've not moved to Lion at the moment as I never upgrade to a ?.?.0 version of anything.

But would I be wrong in thinking that all that's really changed is the delivery method (downloaded).

If you download then burn to a disk can't you just install on all the macs in your house the same as if you when out and bought it on disk?

Aren't updates just done through software update as before?

With regards the EULA

Lets face it all EULA's are so badly contrived that some were in there you'll probably work out that your not even allowed to use the software.

I mean :

"and run for personal, non-commercial use,"

So lets assume that I use my mac for my business doing my accounts or something, that would be commercial use so obviously I can't use it!

"Apple-branded computer running Mac OS X Snow Leopard or Mac OS X Snow Leopard Server"

So if I had a intel mac running 10.5 and I went to the apple store and got 10.7 downloaded there (cos lets say I don't have broadband).

They give me it on a disk (or even on the USB drive when its available) and I go home read the EULA as see I'm not allowed to even do a clean install because I don't have a copy of SL. So I go back to the Apple store for SL to adhere to the EULA to find they don't have it cos Apple don't make the disk any more so I have to by a new mac to legally own Lion!

humm......

Ralph Daily wrote:

So I own the mac my wife uses, but I can't install Lion on it for her use since my license is only for my personal use.

Don't you use your wife for your own personal use - so technically you adhere to this by proxy 🙂

The difference in the personal use clause is that it does not apply to commercial settings. If you own a business and you have bought 25 Macs for your employees to use, you cannot legally download Lion one time and install it on all 25 Macs for use in your business because you own them. In a commercial setting the Apple End User License Agreement says that you must have purchased a license for Lion for each Mac that it is installed on.

http://www.apple.com/mac/volume-licensing/

As far as downloading Lion at an Apple Store, the store lets you use their Internet to download Lion through the MAS on your Mac. They do not download it for you and hand it to you. So you will need to visit the Store with a qualifying Mac, meaning one that qualifies for a Lion installation with the latest versions of Snow Leopard and the Mac App Store installed. Lion will not download onto a Mac that does not meet the minimum standards for installing Lion, even if it has the most recent versions of SL and the MAS installed. I tried to do it with my iMac Intel Core Duo and the store refused to allow me to download Lion.

Dah•veed wrote:

So you will need to visit the Store with a qualifying Mac

Seems a bit of a hassle dragging a macpro or large screen iMac to the store.

Also for sake of argument lets say theres a mac rush for copies of SL that all the current copies have sold. Apple won't start making more copies of SL.

So now there is no upgrade path from any previous version. So your screwed. You need a new mac because even if they do release a USB version the EULA for lion still state that you need SL to get Lion so a 10.5 mac won't qualify (legally) even though the USB drive would install a 'clean copy'.

But what this really means (looking forward) is that you will not be able to skip a OS update incase Apple state again with each upgrade the requirement for the previous which locks you in to buying every OS they make.

Crafty!

Apple has always expected that you did not skip OSes, it just never used DRM with the OS before.

Seems a bit of a hassle dragging a macpro or large screen iMac to the store.

Do not forget to make an appointment!

This is a really strange predicament that Apple has place themselves in and its consumers. I shouldn't have been able to download it from the Mac App Store, because it is tied to the Apple ID. You should have been able to download the software albeit Single or Family Pack through Apple's Web Site (but it seems that this is not going to be the route for anything these days, as it is dinosaur to do that).

Each family member usually has an Apple ID, and if each member uses the same computer. What the??? Does that mean that every Apple ID requires to pay the $29. How does that work? Because if I log into my only computer that should be tied to my Apple ID and because I didn't upgrade, should be running SL on the machine. Is that even possible? It opens so much more questions.

It's kind of great in a way, but it is kind of a loop hole. Oh Apple, why don't you just give Lion away for FREE now (You are making this situation similar to the Vista to Windows 7 disaster), because it seems that I could just create a new Apple ID, and tell everyone to log onto that Apple ID, download it and install it. Though it may violate the EULA, it is a possible loophole.

I would much, much, prefer giving Apple money for the Family Pack, and having the ability to upgrade and manage which computers will get the upgrade. In fact, I was wondering about that, when I stumbled upon this thread. It didn't have a family pack version in the Mac App Store (which everyone is familiar with the upgrade process).

On the flip side: The $29 is much easier to swallow every 2-3 years than the gouging prices of M$. When people talk about $179 is cheap, that is just for the Windows 7 Home Edition from any version of Vista (which is crap, Professional is the bare minimum respectable version), and it goes up from there. M$ is a joke, and I don't know why we put up with M$ or the crap that Apple is now pulling. To Apple's advantage, hardware is your only limitation.

Apple should not put up with a single Apple ID upgrading every OS, but consumers should not put up with tying OS's to Apple ID's. OS are tied to Computer Hardware!!! It makes absolutely no sense to tie it to an Apple ID. What happens when you sell your Mac? Complete Quagmire as someone has already stated! Because I didn't purchase Lion with my Apple ID, I should downgrade (just plain weird).

on her mac just sign in as you on the app store

Spinland

So the solution of the problem is that I have to log in on each mac with the same apple ID and then I can install it on every computer ?

thanks

I would download the Mac OS X Lion installer once. Then use the installer to create a bootable DVD or USB drive to install Lion to your other machine.

I know this doesn't address your concern of being able to download the same purchase of Lion to multiple Macs, but why would you want to download 4GB of data multiple times to multiple machines just to do an install?

How to make a bootable Lion install disc or drive

http://www.macworld.com/article/161069/2011/07/make_a_bootable_lion_installer.ht ml

Already installed Lion and the installer is gone? Open the Mac App Store on the machine that you orginally purcahed Lion on, hold the 'Option' key while clicking on the 'Purchaed' icon at the top of the Mac App Store. The 'Installer' button will be enabled and you can download the installer again, then follow the instructions at the above link to create a bootable DVD or USB drive.

The entire process, minus the time you download Lion, will take you less than 10 minutes and you'll be able to install Lion to five of your machines (as the EULA allows you to do).

This solve the need of av OS X Lion Familypack

Subject: Lion Diskmaker

http://mac1.no/artikkel/9947/lion-diskmaker-lager-lion-dvdusb

I am not techy, but figured out how to download Lion on both of my machines while I was reading all of these posts. I will share my non-techy solution to my problem here and hopefully it will help someone else like me.

I downloaded lion through the App Store on my desktop Mac. Then I opened the App Store on my MacBook Pro and selected the "Purchased" button. All I had to do was click on the "Install" button and it initiated the download. I was signed into my only user account on both machines. I know that this doesn't solve all the other problems mentioned here, but it solved mine.

Happy day! 🙂

Spinland wrote:

Hey, guys...I guess it's funny this old post popped up again out of the blue with Lion here and all. I still object to the log-out/log-in-another/log-out-and-return cycle. Don't like it at all, and that's okay.

My wife and I concluded that she never buys from the App Store anyway, so hers is just always going to stay logged in as me. Should cover it all right. I didn't know it could be logged into independent of iTunes, which would have been a real mess if they were linked as I thought.

Besides, making a bootable install DVD was trivial, so I have that, too. And an install thumb drive.

I prefer it when you're angry and making no sense

Here is what I did on my wife's machine (different apple id).

1. Launch App Store

2. Click Store | Sign out (from her apple id)

3. Click Sign In (under my apple id)

4. Select the OS X Installer. It just says install since I have already paid for it under my apple id.