There will be OS X Lion on CD, or only in the Mac Store?

Re: "Only 17% of the UK has 5Mbps access:"

And here we are thinking only of the industrialised West. There must be Countries which do not even have the telephone infrastructure of UK US, and Canada - and thus even less capacity for fast broadband.

My bet is that the Apple servers will choke on the

demand for downloading Lion. Then and only

then will they see the error in their ways.

Not only Apple servers - the I.S.P.s will experience a huge demand for data on day 1 ! - can they cope ? Do they know what is about to hit them ? Oh dear, I fear the worst 😟

ds store wrote:

If Apple doesn't provide a bootable disk of Lion, some enterprising third party developer will simply take the present OS X Lion installed and make a bootable ISO of it.

Extremely unlikely. Apple has never allowed any third party to distribute any version of the Mac OS & has been very aggressive about taking legal action against anybody that tries that.

Dan Mitchell1 wrote:

Not only Apple servers - the I.S.P.s will experience a huge demand for data on day 1 ! - can they cope ? Do they know what is about to hit them ? Oh dear, I fear the worst 😟

It was mentioned at WWDC that around 4 GB the Lion download is about the same size as a single HD movie download. Given the popularity of Netflix & other on-demand movie services, it isn't likely that Lion downloads will overload broadband ISP's.

As for Apple servers, Apple recently brought online a massive $1 billion server farm in North Carolina, at 500,000 sq. ft.one of the largest in the world.

We'll see!!!

As for the download size, if the distribution is anything

like iTunes, that 4 gig file could take anywhere from

20 minutes to 5 hours or more. And this is with a 25 megabit

internet connection.

Hopefully, there will be some means of doing network

installs via LAN. Really don't want to tie up my internet

connection upgrading my 4 Macs.

I agree that at 4 GB it is going to take some isers a painfiully long time to download Lion. However, the trend toward ever larger OS updates, especially for the Combo versions, has been something users have had to cope with for quite a while, & most seem to manage one way or another.

I suspect it will be the same for Lion. Some users will not, as the Lion preview page promises, be able to upgrade on day one simply because it will take them more than 24 hours to get it downloaded, but many will probably just let it grind away in the background, perhaps pausing the downoad when they need all their available Internet bandwidth for something else, until they finally get the whole package.

Some will probably opt for an Internet Cafe with high speed service or convince a friend or colleage to let them use their broadband connection. Undoubtedly, some will decide the upgrade is not worth the hassle, but the price & liberal licensing terms will convince many to put up with that to get it.

If you are able to download the operating system for one machine, you will be able to transfer the installer to your other ones.

http://eggfreckles.net/tech/burning-a-lion-boot-disc/

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) mardi 14 juin 2011 13:29:55

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Note that the eggfreckles article says step one is:

"Purchase and download Lion from the Mac App Store on any Lion compatible Mac running Snow Leopard."

Since as yet nobody can purchase Lion from the Mac App Store, this article must be considered speculative & subject to change. AFAIK, the only versions of Lion currently available from MAS are Developer Previews.

For all we know, the retail version could have some simple, built in method of creating a bootable installer disk, or an image file that could be used to burn an Installer DVD from Snow Leopard. At about 4 GB, a single layer DVD blank should be adequate for this.

Hopefully, there will be some mechanism in Lion to

distribute in install over LAN. Otherwise, for my 4

Macs, this upgrade will be very tedious and time

consuming, considering how wide variable internet

download speeds can be.

I don't know about you, but for me time=money!

With the 10.6 upgrade, I popped the DVD and in

20 minutes at most, I was up and running with

the new OS.

With this new method, it's going to be a coin toss

as to how long it will take.

In the past, Steve has been pretty vehement on digital

distribution over the internet. So we will see.

A distributed install over a LAN could be tricky, in part because of the need to create the built-in partition that supports Lion's recovery mode. I'm not sure that can be done while booted from the normal startup disk, so it probably would be simpler to copy the installer package to the targeted Macs over the LAN & then run that locally on each of them.

With a fast LAN, it would not take long to distribute the copies, & hopefully the install running from the HD will go faster than from a DVD.

I don't understand.

Why burn a dvd when the datas may be stored on a reusable media.

The memory stick is one of them as well as a re-writable dvd or a HD.

In the keynote, Phil Schiller stated that there will need to buy/download once to install on every authorized machines. So they must have a soluce in their basket.

I'm quite sure that it will be a simple piece of code encapsulating the disk image in a GUI.

I'm puzzled when I see some "helpers" trying to make complicated simple tasks.

This remind me the delivery of the Snow Leopard DVD.

A lot of "helpers" wrote in different areas that these DVDs were only upgrade for installed Leopard.

I bought one and it apply perfectly on clean HD which never received an operating system before.

Why would it be different this time.

I guess that Apple engineers are more serious problems to treat than creating a piece of code forbidding the installation of Lion on a new HD or on a cleaned one.

It would not be simply ridiculous, just resembling to suicide.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) mercredi 15 juin 2011 14:39:50

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I'm sure Apple will be able to find a way to accomodate those who do not have high speed bandwith, and to assume they won't is premature.

The installer for Lion can be transfered across the network or saved onto an external device (DVD or Flash Drive) and installed on the other computers in their household.

The installer also allows you to burn a recovery CD when you begin the installation. So as long as a backup is made then there shouldn't be any problem.

Nobody outside of Apple knows what the installer will be like once Lion is released; even the folks involved in beta testing have only seen the beta versions, and they are prohibited from discussing them publicly anyway.

Those procedures may work (I hope), or they may not. It may check with Apple to see if the Mac is registered to the purchaser of the installer package. None of us mere mortals knows yet.

I agree with you Pondini. Any thing other than a direct

download from the MAS at this point is pure speculation.