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Lion OS X 10.7 and Quicken 2007

Anyone know if it is true that if you upgrade from SL 10.6 to Lion 10.7 you no longer can use Quicken for Mac 2007? I saw that here:


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2015353039_ptmacc18.htm l


If so what are some solutions other than not upgrading the O.S?


There is not nor will not be any updated versions of Quicken for Mac.


You can run Quicken for PCs on Bootcamp or in Windows on your Mac as a virtual machine. But, if you want to get away from using Windows?


This alone would stop me from updating to Lion but, eventually I’ll need to update the Mac OS. (New computer, need a future feature, etc.)


It would be nice to find an alternative to Quicken or another solution.


iMac 24, Mac OS X (10.6.7), 4 GB RAM, LaCie d2 Quadra 500 GB HDD (Win XP Pro-Boot Camp)

Posted on Jun 18, 2011 8:13 PM

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Posted on Jun 18, 2011 8:22 PM

If so what are some solutions other than not upgrading the O.S?

iBank.

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Jul 9, 2011 6:31 AM in response to growler62000

Okay I know I said I was going to test Ibank for a while then decide but I lied! Two hours of playing with Ibank and I am SOLD, before i have to redo to much data entry I am wiping out trial version and buying it from App Store. Doing that so I can put it on laptop as well since at times I put my data on there for traveling day.


I had no problem exporting all my many, many, years of data to it. But it should be noted that I don't use splits which appears to cause a problem for some. There will be some additional work for me re-creating a report here and there for my purposes but all my catagoreys tranferred and creating report is easy enough and I have found that reports are better in than Q7, In fact I liken the whole IBank experience like returning to the OLD PC Quicken I missed going to Mac in many ways. Little things like not all these separate windows popping up using Q7 for Mac. Back to getting results in one window when I click account. Little missed things like automatically going to next check number. Not a major issue but since I seldom write a physical check I always had to go look for last check number used to make I hadn't messed up. First check entry I made like finding an old friend punched in first digit and next full check number popped in. PLUS a lot of features that Mac's have suddenly readily available.


Went to check book because doing Q7 and IBand side by side reports they differed. It was how I made an entry. So trying to find a difference I SEARCHED for "school." In Q7 did find and went up item to next item searching. In Ibank in search window typed "school" and instantly nothing but results immediately appeared for register. No more making a report to get all the entries at one time needed if not across accounts anyway.


I went into investment account and my register popped up. Scratchin my head though on how to see my portfolio current holdings? Looked at left menu and saw portfolio report, clicked it and gave me what I needed. I am sure there will be lot's of pluses and minuses, work arounds etc but honestly I never was very fond of Q7 for Mac so Quicken has perhaps done me a favor. Having totally evolved from a 20 year MSFT PC person to a 3 year MAC only everything person I am ready to invest in a learning curve scenario.


Basically Ibank is like using a Mac whereas Q7 was always like running PC program with odd ways of doing things. So I cannot yet answer whether Ibank will give me some real head scratching days or not but I have seen enough after a couple hours of just playing to know it is worth taking a shot and buying it for me.


George in NY

Jul 9, 2011 7:19 AM in response to georgeny

Doing a little bit of research it appears that it is not difficult to get MacOS 10.6 to run in VirtualBox:

http://www.sysprobs.com/install-mac-os-1065-snow-leopard-virtualboxseveral-issue s-fixed


While this violates the current MacOS user license, Lion will apparently allow running virtual machines:


http://www.itproportal.com/2011/07/05/mac-osx-lion-permits-multiple-virtual-copi es-on-one-machine/


Once Snow Leopard is installed in Vbox, (assuming Vbox is configured for Bridged networking) you should be able to mount the file system of your real Mac from your VM. Drag Quicken 2007, preferences files and data file and run it.


Keep in mind that you will be running PPC code through Rosetta, via Vbox on real hardware so performance will not be stellar. Because this OS image will be "minimized" it shouldn't be too bad on resource usage.


Taking advantage of the Vbox capability to suspend/resume will allow you to keep Quicken 2007 running all the time and simply resume the VM when you need it.

Jul 9, 2011 10:14 PM in response to Howard Hanchett

I'm not surprised at Intuit--they really messed me up with their Quicken version back in the mid 1990's when I first bought it to handle my uncle's estate. Ran into problem with new entries overwriting old ones and when I called the company they told me it was a "known issue." Well THANKS! So much for caring about your customers. This last decade of half-hearted and third-rate service to Mac users has just carried forward this same 'too bad for you' attitude. I've had it and am ready to throw in all their products, including their tax software, just on matter of principle. BUT...what to move to?


Looking at this forum, I can see that I'll have issues because of my need to track multiple investment transactions and my use of splits to keep clean records on what happens with different categories of expenditures (in credit card accounts) and income (in combined deposits). Plus I have about 14 years of data in my Quicken records now.


I may have another issue and wonder if others here can advise. I am running Quicken 2006. Moving to any of the alternatives you've discussed, will this be a problem?


A last thought--why doesn't Apple, which write such great iLife and iWork products, write a personal financial management program to enhance their software suite?


Andrea in MD

Jul 10, 2011 4:35 AM in response to firstdayslight

firstdayslight wrote:


A last thought--why doesn't Apple, which write such great iLife and iWork products, write a personal financial management program to enhance their software suite?


Andrea in MD


Andrea,


Excellent question and one I have had myself ever since becming a Mac

aficionado. It would certainly be a boon to the already integrated software and obviously something that many Mac users would applaud.


In the meantime I have already stopped double entries into IBank and Q7 for Mac since fairly comfortable with IBank in less than 48 hours. Q7 for Mac was so in need of being updated that Ibank seems like a racehourse next to a ploughhorse.


George in NY

Jul 10, 2011 1:24 PM in response to Howard Hanchett

Here's the list of Mac finance applications in alphabetical order that might serve as a replacement for Quicken 2007 for Mac:


iBank

Money

MoneyWell

MoneyDance

SEE Finance


I have no experience with any of them, but plan to research at least some of them before I decide what will replace Q2K7 Mac.


Here's what I need in a program to replace Quicken:

- Categories and classes

- Split transactions

- Transactions with a debit to one account and a credit to another

- Memorized transactions

- Scheduled transactions

- A report that shows for a given date range selected categories down the side and classes across the top

- A report that shows individual transactions selected by various criteria, sorted and summarized by various criteria


I used to try to track investment price history in Quicken but gave that up long ago, as every time I had to rebuild my Quicken data those prices were discarded.


What will also give me trouble with the loss of Rosetta is giving up Palm Desktop software for my Palm Treo and, equally important, Pocket Quicken. (Moving to an iPhone would solve some of that, but only if I can solve problems such as maintaining different sets of address book info, etc., for two iPhones, while sharing the same iTunes content, when those sets of address book content normally reside on two different Macs.) I use heavily the ability to enter a financial transaction into either Quicken or Pocket Quicken and have it copied to the other. So not only do I need a replacement for Quicken, but I need it to have a companion iOS app that can synchronize in both directions.

Jul 10, 2011 3:01 PM in response to firstdayslight

Andrea

I have been using iBank for several months now and we do a number of splits, which work just fine. What seems to be an issue is importing from an old quicken program, some of the splits get left out. I imported files from 89 to present, and I did have to spend some time cleaning up the imports, but I got it to work and its working well now.

Our records are very detailed, (heavy accounting wife). iBank offers a free 30 day trial you might consider giving it a go


Lemarche

Jul 15, 2011 5:03 AM in response to pcbjr

pcbjr wrote:


In the same boat (Quicken 2007) and have not tried iBank yet (lack of time at present, and unfortunately wasted what time I had by trying some others which were not satisfactory). But I'm going to need to switch.


Since you're testing, when convenient can you advise whether iBank produces and Income and Expense Report like Quicken 2007 does, with suffient detail to give to the CPA at the end of the year for small business income tax preparation?

First report I added I looked at and a coule pie charts popped up. I said humm I need more than that, scrolled and saw a break out by categorey. Then noted that when I rolled over category the area of the pie chart highlighted. Same if I rolled over pie chart area category highlighted. Then I clicked on pie chart area and INSTANTLY I received an item by item breakout.


Next I did add a report and put in some paramenters report was made and report indicated in left box area but results were not really what I had wanted. Click on report name and can reset parameters easily choosing click boxes etc. Seems like you almost have to make report by selecting vcategory then edit it to get what you want but then reports FAR SUPERIOR than anything ever produced by QUICKEN 7. The whole IBANK experience has been FAR SUPERIOR to Quicken 7. Small things like simply being able to slide a little bar on screen to make report size larger on screen. HUge things like being able to get results from registers by search instantly. Want to know what checks you wrote to mortgagae bank, no more report required for multiple finds, no more search box, backwards, item by item. Simply type anything to identify in register search box and just like FINDER results start appearing instantly.


Backup, designate where after that simply click on backup button. Plus no more multiple backup files placed accumulating.


Not really downside but ONLY, I won;t even say bad things just odd or different things. After you import and when you start a new account you identify account as savings, investment, checking, and such. You cannot edit that choice once done by simple edit you must start a new account and then cut and paste. I didn't mis-identify an account but considered changing status from cash to assett and was a bit surprised that I couldn't actually change that. A quick run to the manual and advised about cut and paste. Since this is not something you really normally need to do unless you make error at initial creation of account not really a big deal. At import accounts are identified but you are asked to verifiy each initially.


The other small area, investments, I was used to having a separate portfolio box. Here I was presented with the register but no portfolio representation showing current positions, share price, current quote etc. I was also used to clicking on the symbol in there and manually adding days end information like volume and hi low etc and having my own record of thoses number. also selecting from that drop box area transactions etc. So found PORTFOLIO SUMMARY Report already exists clicked on that and got current positions. But how to enter current price....hit button Get Quotes and it gets quotes online from wherever and updates report. Report give you gain/loss etc etc and can be edited for way you want. BUT my history record no where to be found so far but really, not a problem, plenty of places such as Yahoo Finance, my broker account, etc to get history of prices and use that more anyway since they account for splits and how presented far better than any finance program. As far as my own transaction I simply have to type symbol into my register and instantly get all transaction results in front of me in order. There may be ways to get other info anyway and I haven't foudn it but no impediment realy this way.


Only thing I might miss a little in that I might have to actually do some math is that in portfolio view box on Q7 easy to enter a quote and see what gain or loss would be at a certain price to make a trade decision. Can do that easy enough on the side...


So YES I believe you will have no problem at all generating any report you might need for your accountant. In fact once you get hang of report operation in IBANK you will probably be able to produce far nicer reports on top of that.


I stopped entering into Q7 after first or second day using IBANK exclusively without problem. I BU on time mavchine and use carbonite as off site back up so Q7 is history on my machine with back ups resting comfortably both areas just in case but I really have no concern.


I purchased IBANK from APP store so that I could easily download it to my Mac Pro and use it when I travel. I did that, put it on Mac Pro as well without my data. Then as I do, copied my Ibank data file and opened it on Mac Pro no problem at all. I don't leave data on laptop, it is there only when I need accounts with me. Another plus Q7 you always were a little leery about data files and where they were. I would remove file and finf that Q7 would still have data in there and open it on laptop. hen I would have to search and find it to make sure wasn't still there if, heaven forbid, laptop was lost. Ibank file readily found and only in one spot.


What else can I say, I am a convert to Ibank and consider that Intuit did me a large favor forcing me to stop using their product.


I do have to research if any size limititations but i doubt it I have 19 years of data imported without problem. I guess I could loose a couple years of it if I had to hahaha.


Just took a quick look at manual ( 461 pages to play with if interested but pdf and searchable ) didn't see any limits, did see lot's of things about reports Ihaven't scratched surface of. Report ability appears to have far more ability than my meager need requires. Far more than I want to read too 🙂 but my reports pretty intuitive to set up.


Finally for all remember I do not download form my banks preferring to manually enter transaction and then reconcile my entries with banks entries so cannot comment on that area of Ibank. Isee it gets quotes from yahoo finance which is no problem.


George in NY

Jul 15, 2011 7:46 AM in response to georgeny

I've started a spreadsheet of financial software with columns for the features that I want. So far I have nine programs in it. From the information on their Web sites it's hard to tell whether over half of them, including iBank, support transaction subcategories. (The iBank manual does mention support for subcategories.)


So far none of those programs support transation classes. For example, I want to be able to flag a transaction as being a computer expense with a subcategory of things like type, such as hardware or software. I'd like to assign a class to identify who benefited from the expense. The iBank manual mentions that subcategories can be arranged hierarchically to multiple levels. Perhaps that could serve as a substitute for classes at the cost of creating a large number of subcategories rather than being able to apply a class dynamically to any category.


One thing I want to be able to do with classes is to create a report of transactions within a specified date range with classes across the top and selected categories down the side, with totals of each category to the right and of each class at the bottom.


I also want software with an iOS component that synchronizes transactions in both directions, as between desktop and iOS device. iBank has an iOS app that seems to work that way.

Jul 15, 2011 9:30 AM in response to William-Boyd-Jr

I decided to break down and buy QEM after trying out all the other free demos. I never used all the features of Quicken 07 anyway, alhough I did use Reports. I decided setting up a spreadsheet and manually entering data from all my accounts was more work than I wanted to do. In my opinion the QEM interface is nicer and easier to use than any of the other demos I tried. So far, I think QEM is pretty easy to set up and use. It easily imported all my previous accounts, including scheduled payments, categories and subcategories as well.


You can create custom reports filtering by category and subcategory, as well as Tags (which appear to be what classes were before.) Drop dead simple and meets my needs.

Jul 15, 2011 9:42 AM in response to tincha

I may try QEM before I make a decision. Of all those I'm investigating, QEM seems to be the least friendly, as instead of having a free trial it requires you to buy it, then ask for a refund within 60 days.


I'm not trying to use a spreadsheet to manage my finances. I'm only using it to compare features of possible replacements for Quicken 2007.


Did you have classes in your old data that migrated to "tags"? If so, have you tried to run a report with "tags" as headings for columns and categories on the rows?


Does QEM support split transactions?


I'd love to find a comprehensive manual for QEM. That would help me evaluate it.

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