Does anyone have anything good to say about final cut x?

Terry VerHaar, I'm sure you're right, this is the future and we should embrace, or at least explore it.

But it's also the present. It's disingenuous for those who want to be editors but aren't yet to call the rest of us dinosaurs, and for those who are longer in the tooth to compare this upgrade (yes, effectively that's what it is, because the old version's gone) to the situation that prevailed in 1999. The difference is this:

IN 1999 THERE WAS NO INSTALLED BASE OF FCP USERS. That it didn't support PAL til v1.2 didn't matter - because nobody was using it! It was the new kid on the block, taking on the big guys like Avid, but its limitations hurt no-one - it was a scruffy kid, and all it had was potential.

Now we have a facility built around Avid and Final Cut. We have 3rd party hardware, clients, and shows to deliver. There's well over a million dollars invested here, and Apple has just, effectively, dropped the product.

Yes, if you've never cut for a living it's a great way forward. If you cut for YouTube, or your iPad, it's tremendous. If you have decks and AJA hardware and legalisers and sync generators and scopes and RAIDs and HDSDI patch panels and projectors, you're putting FCP aside for a while and working in Avid. Except for the Christmas party you're cutting for Facebook, and your friends' wedding shot on a Flip.

Final Cut Pro X is truly a pro app - for professional doctors, professional airline pilots, professional marriage celebrants, professional web designers, loads of professionals. Professional editors need to look elsewhere.

The Command Editor is pretty cool. They did a really good job on it.

My advice for you... don't use it. :-)

(But you're not allowed to continue with the name "fearless" anymore.) lol

Oh we will - and we'll find a way to grade with it beautifully and output within legal parameters to that dinosaur format, videotape, that every single network and distributor demands. We'll get inside its entrails and we'll do some laparoscopy and figure out how to get the results we need, for our clients. And we'll keep an eye on what The Foundry's up to, amongst others. In short, we'll make the tools we need, because many of the people posting here will buy it and use it and expect it to produce deliverables, and those in New Zealand will likely come to us as the Final Cut-friendly post house that we're known to be.

As for fearlessness, that's for others to judge... Ü

Bests

Peter

Medickep wrote:

I'm not a Pro, but what I've have seen I like it a lot. I used FCE a lot and so far nothing is different, just it's location. I personally think tapes are a thing of the past as well as DVD's and I think Apple sees that.

No one likes change of any kind, but Apple usually makes smarts decisions, I'm sure this will run better on Lion. I'm surprised it was released prior to Lion, but maybe it was to get the kinks out. If you don't like the new software, just keep using the last version you did like!! Problem solved!

Tapes and DVDs are a thing of the past? What is the present then? I don't mean to be rude, but in many circumstances tapes are still used. And it's tapes, not DVDs that are used more often as a output formats in broadcast HD, and while capture formats are turning tapeless, there's still quite a few cameras out there that shoot in HD on tape (HD D5, HDV, HDCAM, DVCPRO HD). And what about all the tapes that are stored in vaults, and are quite often still needed. Granted, you personally may not use them, but they are there, and this is a much needed feature. Sure DVD may, at some point in time in the future, go the way of the VHS tape (which by the way I still have sitting atop my system and have used more then a few times this year already), in favor of your personal Blu-Ray disc, but have you noticed that CDs are still around? And are still used, and they were all the rage in the 80s. Oh, and Apple still supports them too.

Yes, tapes and DVD are a thing of the past.

You guys dare to call anybody that's not publishing to old tech a non-pro.

I am a pro and I've never published to tape.

I don't work for a TV station. TV in it's current form is dead, too.

Apple ALWAYS stated that they want to bet on tech on the way in, not tech on the way out.

DVD and BlueRay are dead already. Everybody sees that. Sales numbers are not the only indicator, you know?

Like I said: I don't need to check for broadcast colors. I don't need to publish to tape.

I'm producing a music video RIGHT NOW on FCPX. I'll think about you when it hits iTunes, Vimeo, YouTube and so on and so on

And, btw.: THIS IS 1.0. I can't stand you thick guys anymore. Only because it isn't there yet, doesn't mean **** freezes over. FCPX will over awesome Plug-In support. Wait for the Lion release.

It is only that tape support and so on will be a matter for Third Party software and solutions,

because the number of editors who will never, ever once touch Tape or DVD are growing daily.

I rest my case, nfoo. If you're going to YouTube, I struggle to see why you can't do everything you need in iMovie, other than correct for DSLR rolling shutter and handheld wobble. There's nothing much truly HD or Pro about YouTube or Vimeo, although I'm delighted your project may get there, given their high barriers to entry. But that's a long way from robust filmmaking and high end delivery to networks and distributors. That's what Final Cut Studio could do.

Final Cut Pro has been used to cut feature films. It had robust tools for managing projects taking months or years, not a crazy never-sleep weekend where it all goes in and it all comes out at breakfast on Monday, from a laptop. Yes it's the way a lot of projects go, and should go, but it's not Pro anything and it's a long way from the workflows people here complain they can no longer achieve in the new version of iMovie – an app that's being flattered, along with its graduates from iMovie, with a Pro moniker.

If you've never delivered with the stringency that these workflows demand you won't understand the difference between this and a professional editing tool. In its present form it's a great thing for enthusiasts. People who cut for a living, perhaps not. The manual that came with Final Cut Studio explained these things briefly, and quite well. But reading manuals is a bit old school, when it's totally obvious what to do. You make your thing, then "Share..." it.

fearless

Rest your case.

Do that. It's unbelievable how you guys dismiss anyone that isn't working like you as a non pro.

Arrogant and ignorant. In Germany we call people like you "Fachidioten". Look that up.

How dare dismiss my work as Kindergarten iMovie stuff? You don't even know me!

The atmosphere in is, thanks to guys like you, already hit rock bottom.

So, right now, on day one of version 1.0 you wouldn't cut a feature film on FCPX. Yes. I see that.

Why don't continue to use FCP7 for a little while more — which Apple intentionally left on your system when you installed FCPX, because you still need it during the time of transition — until FCPX matures and third parties kick in to fill the holes that Apple left.

That will happen. And not total apocalypse.

I will publish to file, like I've always done.

I'm sorry that I don't make feature films on tape, or even film.

I must be really worthless and dumb. Sorry to even bother you, standing in your shadow, oh, mighty all nowing master editor.

Arrogant crap.

No nfoo, the arrogance is yours. You can't pop up here and dismiss everyone's concerns about lost functionality as if you're the embodiment of the way forward, and accuse us all of arrogance and ignorance, while your portfolio proudly announces you've never actually made very much, and it shouldn't matter. It does.

What do you gain by, as we say in English, taking the ****, in accusing those who've been doing this for a decade of being fachidioten for speaking as if we've been doing it for a decade? We have, maybe you have - that's not what I'm hearing.

But none of that matters. What matters is that the stuff that makes us all money and will for a few years yet requires output in ways that Apple, in its detached wisdom, has thrown in the trash. And by canning support for FCS3, and likely support in Lion, they've emptied the trash. These apps have no future, FCP X has a future but until I can deliver my documentary series to Bayerisches-Fernsehen with an H.264 upload for technical evaluation, you might as well be designing your house on the moon. This year and next they need tape, and graded pictures on a Grade 1 CRT.

Perhaps we should tell Bayern 1 that we won't be giving them an HDCAM SR master, and they'd better get used to it, but it's unlikely to result in a win, or a cheque.

fearless;

Why don't you just give them the same thing as always.

FCPX didn't change anything about that. Everything works just like yesterday.

I really feel like I'm visitor to a mental institution.

What changed? Apple send masked guys into your offices and wrecked your places up?

Destroyed hardware and deleted all your editing software?

Wait, uhm: NO.

Hi Nfoo

You seem to be missing the point. This is a professional editors debated, our lives and businesses are based on the tools we are giving and use. For me personally I hope for every piece of editing software I use to improve in the future and keep ironing out the problems which keep it form being perfect.

If Apple called this iMovie Pro we would not be having this discussion but to call it FCP X and labotomoise one major part of the software is a problem.

As you rightly say nothing has changed, we will keep using FCP 7 with its limitations and bugs that could have been sorted out by this new piece of software. I think we are all just feeling disheartedned and abused.

Dear nfoo,

someday, DVD´s, and tapes will be a thing of the past. But that is in the future. Everybody knows that. That´s why professional NLE software like Avid MC, or even Premiere, is prepared for this. AND for the use of tapes. If you run a post-facility, you have to be able to do that. If a tv station, a client, a distributer asks for a tape, you cannot tell him, that´s a thing of the past. Got that so far? Btw, it´s not only about the tape-thing. The basic idea of a professional NLE is to provide you with tools, to get EVERY job done. Not only something specific, like "oh, this is good for a corporatefilm, but for documentaries I have to use something different". The argument, editing is going to be like 30-40% faster is based on what? If you use a Media Composer, you won´t have any time issues. Ok, no sexy eyepoppin Preset massacre, but well, in exchange every film you edit will look different and nobody will be able to recognize a standard preset by seeing it again, like in 10.000 other musicvideos. No professional editor wants to work with a software, that has it´s own ideas on where to put the audio or the whole stuff in the timeline.

The whole reason for the upset pros here is, that nobody wants to be told, how he has to work from now on. Especially not by the software he uses.

nfoo wrote:

What changed?

Apple no longer sells a working professional post production editing solution. They no longer sell FCS, and only provide a 1.0 version of something new that currently doesn't meet many professional's end-to-end needs (like FCS did), and is only available via the Mac App store, without any information about volume licensing.

Seriously, you don't think that's a big change?

Yeah...I hadn't bought it! :D

I'm happy with FCE!

Its very simple. This debate is necessary. FCP is no longer a pro application. I'm not trying to be snotty here, but prosumer wont do it for my business.