Thunderbolt Pegasus R4 Experience?

Has anyone else got any first hand experience of the Promise Pegasus R4 (or R6) with their iMac? I bought mine this week and managed to load it up with around 1.4Tb (it holds around 3Tb) no problem. Now, today I can't get the drive to stay connected before it ejects for more than 5 minutes. It's driving me mad and I'm very concerned as I moved all my family video onto it from another drive and it won't stay connected long enough to get it back onto another drive again.

iMac, Mac OS X (10.6.8), 2011 i7 3.4, 256Gb SSD and 16Gb RAM

Posted on Jul 16, 2011 8:38 AM

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Jun 27, 2013 1:06 PM in response to asasaki

Have you found any resolution for this bug?

I am trying to resolve the same with OSX 10.8

The OSX 10.7 and below clients can save to the thunderbolt cable connected Pegasus Drive off an Mac Mini


We can save as and it will get the correct permissions (this started working after doing the umask change in the launchd config file.).

When we drag and drop through the finder we get read only permissions.

I did the chmod and chown and extended atrributes.

I do not see option for POSIX vs ACL but was able to add ACL via the terminal.

Really could use a solution for this bug

any help greatly appreciated.

Aug 16, 2013 1:27 PM in response to Infotech 24 7

Thought I would chime in since it seems everything I READ SEEMS TO STILL BE NEGATIVE ABOUT THE PEGASUS ... I am a video editor and I wourk with a lot of footage everyday. I spend half my day injesting footage and the other half dispersing it to editors for them to get to work. Ive been happily using the pegasus R6 for over 2 years now and couldnt be more thrilled with it.


While originally I had some issues with it . Promises customer support was on point to help me out.. After a day or two of fidgiting with settings and eventually purchasing a newer thunderbolt cable, Ive been running smooth for the last two years (knock on wood).. I was one of the first to purchase this drive and went through a lot of issues at the begining. But I must say , except for the fact I can only use it with my laptop, it was well worth it...


Now Mac needs to stop being a bunch of weirdos and get me some Thunderbolt capable mac pro's!!


RNM

Aug 16, 2013 1:49 PM in response to RNMVIDEO

I agree 100%

I've had my R4 well over a year and except for a few early adopter issues its been awesome. Runs 24/7

The Tunderbolt chain goes from my MBP Retina to the R4 then a 27" Mac display. On occasion it can be finicky when I disconnect / reconnect it from "sleep". If it happens I just power down the MBP. I don't have to touch the R4. It stays running. My guess is that it's the monitor. Again. This is rare.

Aug 16, 2013 3:24 PM in response to RadRod

Count me among those who are still very satisfied with their R6. It is connected via TB to mid-2011 27 iMac, configured RAID-5 and hums along 24/7, through occasional reboots, and after long vacation shutdowns. Bought it soon after it was released and had an early problem with heat which was fixed by an early utility update. Also had one drive die (infant mortality), replaced under warranty with exchanged drive from Promise, no data lost, barely a hiccup. My success with the unit has been based upon keeping my cable management separated to avoid all forms of electro/magnetic interference AND keeping the R6 up on a very high credenza with a nearby ceiling fan running at all times. Also using an Apple high end TB cable, no bargain brands. Call it luck or call it attention to detail, I have been among the very satisfied owners of this winged work-horse for a few years now.

Aug 16, 2013 11:20 PM in response to Infotech 24 7

A final, and hopefully conlusive remark on the problems that have been pestering us on one of the two R6 units recently. After replacing disk #6 and #5 and still getting problems, Promise.eu concluded the issue was with the frame and not with the disks. They offered to send a new frame. Replacing the frame solved all issues up to the current day.

The staff at Promise.eu has been very helpful, they were co-operative and knowledgable and they sent the devices immediately with no questions asked, so once the nature of the current issue was acknowledged by help of this thread, usually after discovering a problem, we were up and running the next (working) day, returning the defective device afterward (not upfront).

These positive experiences with Promise.eu completely counterweight the negative experiences with this one unit, or with the ticket system with its steep learning curve and not being the most user frienly (requiring you to enter tons of info you might not have or not recognise).

Aug 18, 2013 1:08 AM in response to Infotech 24 7

I bought a Pegasus R6 twenty months ago, unboxed it and used it continuosly with my then new iMac 27" without a glitch, until a few weeks ago, when the unit went off-line by itself, disappearing from the desktop and becoming irresponsive. Latest firmare updates had been duly installed and Promise utility was of no use since the drive was no longer detected.

The panel switch stopped working and the only way of recovery was to unplug the power from the back side.

A very unpleasant predicament indeed, as it has been reported by many users on several fora.

Since then, the same happens sometimes a few minutes after powering up the unit, but after that everything is ok.

Since it appears that the guaranty period expired in February 2013 (do not ask me how this was calculated by the support automatic service), no help could be obtained although the machine error log was provided.

In my opinion reliability does not seem to be a strong point of this otherwise nice and very speedy Raid box.

Sep 29, 2013 9:55 AM in response to Steve McRea

I purchased a Promise Pegasus R4 4TB (4x1TB) RAID System 13 days ago, along with a 27-inch iMac, Late 2012, 3.4 GHz Intel Core i7 (OS X 10.8.5). I purchased the unit to be used primarily as a backup system, via Time Machine. I decided to purchase the unit because I could get it via the Apple Store, along with the computer, and also because of the Thunderbolt interface. It was easy to connect and get it running, except that it took approximately 48 h to "automatically initialize and synchronize" (this is what is written in the documentation that came along with the unit). After selecting the unit for Time Machine, I had the first backup (really fast!). I also used the unit to store my Aperture Vault (also very fast when setting up for the first time).


I was very happy with the purchase until the morning of the third day after setting up the system. When I woke up the computer, there was an error message indicating "The disk was not ejected properly. If possible, always eject a disk before unplugging it or turning it off." First, I though it could have been an electrical problem, however, the unit was safely connected to an APC Smart-UPS 1500 and the UPS didn't shut down (the computer was also connected to the UPS). I checked all cables (power and Thunderbolt cable) and they semmed properly connected. By the way, I was using an Apple 0.5 m Thunderbolt cable.


The unit was still on, albeit unmounted. However, after several attemps to re-mount it, including disconnecting and re-connecting the Thunderbolt cable, restarting the computer, turning the computer off and on again, I tried to turn the Promise Pegasus off and, to my surprise, it wouldn't go off, no matter for how long I kept the power button pressed! Finally, I relied on brute force and disconnected the power cable on the back of the unit. After reconnecting the cable, the unit went on and mounted on the Desktop. Everything was back to normal, until the next morning... The same problem again! After waking up the computer, the same error message. I had to use the same procedure of unplugging the power cable.


After some thought, I decided to turn off the "Put hard disks to sleep when possible" option under Preferences->Energy Saver. Next morning, the same problem again!


I decided to search for the cause of the problem on the internet and found this Discussion. This made me VERY concerned about the purchase! Two days ago, I decided to move my iTunes library to the unit. After buying the new computer, I had to download the entire library from iCloud (using iTunes Match). The process took about 30 h. During this period, the computer went to Sleep mode and, after resuming, the Promise Pegasus unit was still mounted (but iTunes was still downloading music). This morning, after waking up the computer, iTunes had finished and the Promise Pegasus was unmounted again! Apparently, as long as there is I/O activity, the unit will stay mounted. After a prolonged period of inactivity (and the iMac in Sleep Mode), the RAID unit unmounts itself, misteriously.


After that, and considering this Discussion, I called Apple Support and asked for a refund. I was promptly attended and already got the return labels by e-mail. I was very frustrated with the experience, especially by figuring out that I cannot trust the quality of a product just because it is being sold on the Apple Store (never had a problem like this before!). Finally, considering the ads, this Discussion, and the bad experience, I consider this product a piece of junk, that didn't go through proper testing before being marketed.

Oct 1, 2013 12:38 AM in response to Guarino.R.Colli

Hi Guarino


If its any consolation my Macbook Pro does exactly the same thing thou this time with a USB 3 portable drive, what I think is happening is that the energy saving settings put the computer to sleep when perhaps an app is still running thou dormant.

In my case if I leave FCPX running and walk away for 20 min the laptop will have ejected the USB 3 disk with the message "disk not eject properly".

I know you have unchecked "put disks to sleep when possible" but try moving the slider to "never sleep" for the computer, maybe its a Mac OSX bug ?? ejecting disks when apps sleeping still need them.


My Pegasus has given me stirling service, I would be lost without it a great unit. Maybe consider getting another one.

Oct 6, 2013 5:42 PM in response to Guarino.R.Colli

I have had this exact problem except I have had my Pegasus 6 for 6 months now without an issue. This started 6 days ago just after a system update/restart. And to add to this issue of the drive unmounting itself and not being able to remount it short of pulling the power from it - it will not turn off - my 27iMac will now not boot up if the Pegusus 6 thunderbolt cable is plugged into the computer!

I need to figure out an answer. I have 1.5 Tb of clients photos on that drive right now. Thanksfully/hopefully they are also saved to crashplan on line. But I can't keep pulling the power cord to get it to remount so I can work on photos.

Anyone have any wisdom to share on this?

Oct 28, 2013 12:37 PM in response to Infotech 24 7

Has anyone seen any Thunderbolt connectivity issues on Maverick?


I use an R4 RAID 10 as my startup disk. Although issues have been reported (on this thread) in the past with the Pegasus, My setup has ran perfectly for the past several years with zero disconnects. That is until last night when I decided to upgrade to Maverick.


I upgraded to the R4 drive when it asked me which disk to upgrade to.. halfway through the install everything went grey and it hung!.. After leaving it for several hours it was still hung


Debug steps:


- Booted my iMac from its internal drive which it did OK and was on OSx 10.8 Checked Disk utils to see the Pegasus and it was not mounted.


- Disconnected the thunderbolt cable from the iMac and booted a Macbook Pro with my Pegasus as startup drive over the thunderbolt and it worked!!


- Conclusion was my Pegasus looked OK although I was still on OSx 10.8. Problem must be somehow my iMac 10.8 had got it's Thunderbolt port screwed up.


- As things couldn't get much worse and considering I'm covered with Applecare I decided to upgrade the iMac to Maverick and see if this fixed my Thunderbolt port issue.


- It did!!.. Running from the iMac OSx 10.9 I could see the Pegasus mounted in Disk Utils!! :-)


- Changed my startup disk back to the Pegasus and I'm now booting up ok and up and running from the OSX 10.8 on the Pegasus!!


Now I'm totally reluctant to try and update the OSX on the Pegasus to 10.9!!!


I know that my setup is a bit unique but has anyone heard of Maverick breaking the thunderbolt port?

Oct 28, 2013 12:50 PM in response to Steve McRea

Well, that makes me nervous. I haven't yet upgraded to Mavericks because I have a critical app that I need to upgrade first, but my situation sounds a lot like Steve's -- iMac (27" mid-2011, 3.4-GHz i7) and using a Pegasus (R6 in my case) as the startup disk for a couple of years without problems. Now I'm conflicted about upgrading. Has anyone done the upgrade sucessfully when using a Pegasus as the startup disk?


Steve, what iMac model do you have?

Oct 28, 2013 1:35 PM in response to ke3z

Your clone... imac 27" 3.4Ghz with the i7. Purchased Nov 8 2011!


I've never had a single instance of a disconnect until last night when I upgraded to Maverick!


And it certanly looks like it had nothing to do with the Pegasus and everyhing to do with the imac.


What has me scratching my head is how upgrading the OS on an external startup disk such as the R4 can screw up the thunderbolt ports on the imac?


This is telling me that the OS upgrade maybe doing some Firmware change in Non Volatile memory on the imac as well as upgrading the OSx resident on the hard drive.. which does actually make sence!


It will be interesting to see if this is an issue with the TB port regradless of the perifieral type? From what I could see, this had nothing to do with the fact that the R4 was my startup disk.. the fact that the entire disk remained unmounted or I suspect more that the TB port went dead!.. which is really scary!


I'm going to leave well alone until I am convinced that we're good to go!


As some of us are in the same boat with using R4's and R6's as our startup drives can we share any info on this that we may come across?


Thanks,


Steve

Oct 28, 2013 1:41 PM in response to Steve McRea

It sort of makes sense that they would roll out a firmware change coincident with the OS X upgrade, but I would think they would also make that change available separately, and I haven't seen one.


Once I'm at the point where I'm ready to do the upgrade, I'll just make sure my TM backup is current in case the upgrade totally hammers things. Good to know that upgrading the internal copy of the OS put things back into working state.

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