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  • 1,380. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,355 points)

    cshapple wrote:

     

    A lot of people don't seem to get this: we don't want to use Versions and Autosave.

     

     

    Then stay away from Apple applications, use MS Office instead of iWorks, etc etc

  • 1,381. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    Philly_Phan Level 6 Level 6 (11,705 points)

    Dr.Head wrote:

     

    How about continuity from one OS to the next? The Mac was around a long time before these “products” arrived.

    Absolutely!  Apple should build iMacs that use 400K floppies that contained the entire operating system as well as one application and the data associated with that application. Continuity rules!

  • 1,382. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    cshapple Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    cshapple wrote:

     

    A lot of people don't seem to get this: we don't want to use Versions and Autosave.

     

     

    Then stay away from Apple applications, use MS Office instead of iWorks, etc etc

     

    Sorry but that's nonesense. I can't stay away from applications I need, its not just Apple applications that are doing this. Apple is pushing everyone to change their apps. It was already bad enough so many have been dumbed down for the App Store.

  • 1,383. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,355 points)

    cshapple wrote:

     

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    cshapple wrote:

     

    A lot of people don't seem to get this: we don't want to use Versions and Autosave.

     

     

    Then stay away from Apple applications, use MS Office instead of iWorks, etc etc

     

    Sorry but that's nonesense. I can't stay away from applications I need, its not just Apple applications that are doing this. Apple is pushing everyone to change their apps. It was already bad enough so many have been dumbed down for the App Store.

    Then you will have to learn to use Versions and Autosave if you wish to use Apple's applications.

  • 1,384. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    DChord568 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Philly_Phan wrote:

     

    Dr.Head wrote:

     

    How about continuity from one OS to the next? The Mac was around a long time before these “products” arrived.

    Absolutely!  Apple should build iMacs that use 400K floppies that contained the entire operating system as well as one application and the data associated with that application. Continuity rules!

     

    You guys really crack me up!

     

    Answer me something...in the transition from 400K floppies to 800k floppies to internal hard drives...in the transition from Mac System 5 (the earliest one I worked with) to 6-7-8-9...in the transition from OS 9 to OS X (a major one, to be sure)...in the transition to all the 10.x increments that followed...did the basic concept behind saving a file you're working on change in the least? Did the basic concept behind doing a Save As on a file you're working on change in the least?

     

    I would appreciate it if you would answer these questions honestly before proceeding to the next paragraph. (Let's see if you're up to that challenge.)

     

     

    I don't think anyone here is against change. What they're against is BAD change. If a change is made that, on balance, makes working on my Mac a less productive experience than it was before, then I have a perfect right to label that bad change.

     

    There are many here like me who find ourselves in a new and disturbing position. We have praised Macs to the rooftops for years, decades. We have welcomed each new System Software upgrade, because the net result of the upgrade has been a better experience working on our Macs after the upgrade is installed.

     

    For the first time in our collective Mac experience, we cannot make this statement after upgrading to Lion.

     

    We have every much right to be unhappy with Lion as anyone else has to say they're happy with it. We have a right to voice that displeasure, and to suggest ways Apple might render our complaints moot.

     

    Everyone's workflow and computing environment is different — a fact that many here can't seem to get a grip on. Frankly, if someone came here and expresed frustration with an application or an operating system that had been changed in such a way that it made their work more difficult, it wouldn't occur to me to smugly tell them "You're behind the times" or "Get another program" or (in so many words) "I don't have this problem, so screw you."

  • 1,385. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    Dr.Head Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Apparently you didn’t notice that this is a software discussion.

  • 1,386. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    Dr.Head Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Why should anyone “have to learn” that? What’s wrong with having the option to turn off unwanted features?

  • 1,387. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,355 points)

    I neither know nor care what is wrong with having an option that is not on offer, I prefer to deal with what is, not what might have been.

     

    But please continue to speculate, if it makes you feel better.

  • 1,388. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    Dr.Head Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    If you neither know nor care and you prefer what is, why are you butting into this conversation with nothing to add?

  • 1,389. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    DChord568 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    I neither know nor care what is wrong with having an option that is not on offer...

     

    = "I don't have this problem, so screw you."

  • 1,390. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (35,355 points)

    Dr.Head wrote:

     

    If you neither know nor care and you prefer what is, why are you butting into this conversation with nothing to add?

    Because it's only your speculations that I neither know nor care about.

     

    Have a nice day.

  • 1,391. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    Dr.Head Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Speculation and what might have been? How about finding solutions and what could be? You are part of the problem instead of trying to be part of the solution. Surely you have suggestions which might be helpful rather than saying stupid things like don’t use Apple software or learn to live with it. You are content with things while others have issues. If you have nothing helpful to add, then add nothing.

  • 1,392. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    Douglas Miner Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    DCChord568 has it right. My first computer was TRS80 (going back to at least 1984). Every single OS change I have made since then has been for the better, including all Mac OS upgrades through Snow Leopard, even the original swithch to OSX. Yes, there have been bugs along the way, but those rarely had anything to do with the intent of the system and the changes that were made to it. In fact nearly all changes represented a natural evolutionary step forward that ultimately enhanced the user experience without completely re-inventing it. It was not necessary to "learn" the new thing because the new thing made sense and was intuitive. Much of that vanished with Lion. I am using Lion on two computers and find it, for the most part, usualble, but there is no doubt that is less intuitive, more labor intensive and wastes more time than any previous system. I suspect that along with all of the things that people have objected to, there are some fundimental changes under the hood that may result in overall better performance, security, or perhaps cloud or 64 bit related, but the user experience for the first time since the original Mac has been (hopefully not) irrevocably changed, and not for the better. If it takes more time to accomplish stuff, even when you know the system and can use it as efficiently as possible, then it is not a good thing. The Mac should make our lives easier and should never move backwards or become more cumbersome like Lion has. Even those who defend it admit that it takes longer to do stuff. Why would anyone want to do that? The claim was made that the vast majority of people who are running Lion are quite satisfied. I wonder how true that is. Amongst my geek friends and professionals including several IT guys, it is univerally despised. If the newbies like it as is, fine. Let them have it, but allow more advanced users to configure it to enhance, not retard workflow. If Apple doesn't, some 3rd party developer will make a killing with a well designed add-on control panel to do just that.

  • 1,393. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    Chris Habig Level 4 Level 4 (2,220 points)

    I'm a geek and IT person who likes Lion. I can't think of a single task that takes longer than it does in Snow Leopard. In fact, the only user facing change of any significance is auto save, and I'm happy that it's looking out for me.

  • 1,394. Re: What is your reaction to using Lion?
    jmi2 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Douglas wrote:

     

    If Apple doesn't, some 3rd party developer will make a killing with a well designed add-on control panel to do just that.

    i have been wondering why this is taking so long. someone is always fast to jump on making money...

     

    last week i got an email from Intuit apologizing for their lack of support for Lion (Quicken will not work on it) and that they are working on a fix for Quicken 2007 or a new version and they realize they left a lot of us in the lurch; not to mention they have lost a lot of money because their Qucken Essentials program is a total disaster and no one is really buying it. the email said they would let me know as soon as a fix was available. Quicken was originally a Mac only application, as was MacInTax - now Turbotax; i did beta-testing of many versions for them over the years. TuboTax now has both Windows & Mac versions on one disc as do a lot of others.

     

    I also have the same problem with Acrobat Professional, but i refuse to give Acrobat $400; PDFpen works just as well for $60 bucks and is less confusing; not to meniton Prieview does a lot of the basic things anyway.

     

    i realize that we were warned that some applications would not work on Lion, but i wonder if this was unavoidable? or was it just to make more money?

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