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  • pmhask Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks to someone else's tip, I checked the Keyboard Shortcuts under Keyboard Preferences.   Once you have created a new Desktop, it becomes available in Keyboard Shortcuts for assignment (i.e. ^5 for Desktop 5).   I don't know what it would do if you went beyond Desktop 9.

  • deivy Level 4 Level 4 (2,365 points)

    Works here.

    Are you sure you have Space 5?

    Can you navigate to it via control arrows?

  • deivy Level 4 Level 4 (2,365 points)

    Type control-10, for instance.

     

    To all, I'll refrain from deciding which Spaces is better.

     

    I believe there were more features I liked in SL than in Lion.

     

    However, before deciding take a while to test drive it.

    Changes tend to cause a sensation of discomfort.

     

    One thing I did not see mentioned here, now one can have different desktop pictures for each Space.

    This was not there in SL.

  • cshapple Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)

    Barney-15E wrote:

     

    RobBT wrote:

     

    There are more discussions going on about Mission Control. Striking is that people positive about MC hardly know of how Spaces was used in Snow Leopard.

    I used spaces before. I like MC better. Try it for a while. Get used to it. Learn how it works. Right now, its just different for you.

     

    Heh... take your Soma, its good for you... you'll like it eventually...

     

    Use Lion and you'll see why 2011 will be like 1984... sorry could not resist.

     

    But that is what I see: this is taking control away from the users and doing far too much for me that I do not want or need done.

     

    I want to control my use of Spaces, not some blind software that has no idea what my workflow is.

     

    This is not just different, its broken.

  • jrome Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    It is broken. I can no longer swap windows among all of my spaces.

  • Barney-15E Level 8 Level 8 (42,180 points)

    Heh... take your Soma, its good for you... you'll like it eventually...

     

    Use Lion and you'll see why 2011 will be like 1984... sorry could not resist.

     

    But that is what I see: this is taking control away from the users and doing far too much for me that I do not want or need done.

     

    I want to control my use of Spaces, not some blind software that has no idea what my workflow is.

     

    This is not just different, its broken.

    Why such animosity to a suggestion to give it a chance and see how it works?

    I'm not sure why that suggestion would bother anybody.

    Maybe when you learn to use it, your workflow will be faster.

    If you don't like it, just use Snow Leopard. It still works the same and likely will for a long time.

  • Colin Robinson Level 6 Level 6 (8,305 points)

    RobBT wrote:

     

    Full-screen apps are good for small screens for sure.
    But the 1680x1050px (20") I connect my MBP to (pretty average a size I would say) I wouldn't like to use for Full-screen reading e-mail or Full-screen web browsing (although lots of people do - while web sites still get developed for 1024x768px).

     

    I didn't think I would use Full Screen web browsing on 24" iMac but it does make it easier. Have a look at my desktop before:

    Screen Shot 2011-07-23 at 18.24.07.png

     

    And after:

    Screen Shot 2011-07-23 at 18.24.42.png

     

    Easier for me to concentrate on ASC without the clutter.

     

    regards,

    Colin R.

  • RobBT Level 1 Level 1 (75 points)

    To Barney-15E,
     
    You are a veteran Mac user, I take your opinion very serious. You wrote:

    I used the arrow keys and ctrl-# to move arround.

    Of course swiping is much more comfortable than Ctrl+# keys. I do not use these keys a lot. I use the Option+Arrows sometimes. I can get all the Spaces displayed by clicking the middle (wheel) button of my mouse. Then it's point and click to land in the Space I want. I can also use a hot corner to display all the Spaces. I have nine of them - I could have done with six, but a grid of nine fills my screen nicer, three rows of three Spaces.

     

    I have applications set to different Spaces. E-mail (space 1) and my web browser (Space 5, the center of the web I could say) are always on. When I'm working on web design Photoshop is in Space 3, upper right, Dreamweaver in Space 2, right above Space 5 with my principal browser. All other browsers for testing open in Space 4, left of center. If I need Illustrator it opens in Space 6. When I want to test in Internet Explorer Parallels opens Windows in Space 7.

     

    Although I can easily move back and forth around the center with Option+Arrows, I prefer a middle click, see all the Spaces, and choose. I have my MBP connected to an external screen and a mouse most of the time.

     

    Sometimes I take an application from one Space to another, I do that with all Spaces in view.

     

    How would you best translate my way of working to Lion?

    Had to invoke Exposé + spaces to see what was going on all over.

    The way I use Spaces makes for very clean desktops. I do not use Exposé a lot. Exposé was particularly handy for me when I didn't use tabbed browsing that much.

    It was clunky.

    I really don't get you. Clunky? I wouldn't call Spaces visually appealing all that much - more a bit boring, but very efficient and neat. And extremely easy move around in, using either a click or a hot corner.

  • Roosevelt Jones Level 2 Level 2 (380 points)

    Actually since it is pretty easy to create a new desktop, this is easy to test. If you add Desktop 10, 11 etc. you get new options under System Preference>Keyboard>Mission Control>Keyboard Shortcuts. They add the Alt/Option modifier key to the Control key. To get to Desktop 11 you use Control+Alt+1.

     

    The funny thing is that these keys shift by 1 if you use them while in Mission Control if you have the Dashboard assigned to the first Desktop.

  • RobBT Level 1 Level 1 (75 points)

    Collin,
     
    I understand your reason for browsing full-screen. But as web sites are developed for 1024x768px this leaves a lot of white space on the sides. I don't like that on my eyes. It's even worse when visiting sites with different colors for backgrounds. When landing on a site that uses a black background with white text (could be worse even) I'd be knocked out for a moment. With a display your size you even have to wheel your chair to the left when a site isn't centered. Liquid sites may stretch text over the full width of your display, making it hard to read.
    I suppose you need your concentration then.
     
    (What about reading e-mail full-screen when text is stretched from one end of your screen to the other?)
     
    I have my browser always start up in the same size
    and centered (1152px wide, full-height, a width of 1024px would be enough though). At the sides I see some of the gray stones from the old Leopard desktop image. I have no icons whatsoever on my desktop.
     

  • Colin Robinson Level 6 Level 6 (8,305 points)

    RobBT wrote:

     

    What about reading e-mail full-screen when text is stretched from one end of your screen to the other?
     

     

    It's cleverer than that

     

    It shows the message at a readable width with the background similar to the black linen on the login screen.

     

    Regards,

    Colin R.

  • cshapple Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)

    Barney-15E wrote:

     

    Heh... take your Soma, its good for you... you'll like it eventually...

     

    Use Lion and you'll see why 2011 will be like 1984... sorry could not resist.

     

    But that is what I see: this is taking control away from the users and doing far too much for me that I do not want or need done.

     

    I want to control my use of Spaces, not some blind software that has no idea what my workflow is.

     

    This is not just different, its broken.

    Why such animosity to a suggestion to give it a chance and see how it works?

    I'm not sure why that suggestion would bother anybody.

    Maybe when you learn to use it, your workflow will be faster.

    If you don't like it, just use Snow Leopard. It still works the same and likely will for a long time.

     

    Because the suggestion was that I and others have not learned it, when we have. I don't dislike the new space handling because I don't understand it, I don't like it because it doesn't work for me. Maybe you don't know it, but Lion and Snow Leopard's space handling are not new, they are nearly 20 years old. Both ideas have been tried and been around for a long time now, along with a few dozen other ideas.

     

    My workflow will be faster when it does what I need, not when I drop my standards and accept a poor solution.

     

    It doesn't take "learning" to realize that if you need to put applications A, B, and C on desk one, that anything which does different won't work. If Lion puts C on desk 5, its broken if that's not what I need.

     

    Apple has a lot of smart guys, they can fix it so both methods work and the user can decide.

     

    I'm not sure why you and others are so drunk on the Apple kool-aide that you feel compelled to tell us we are wrong and its our ignorance that is the issue.

     

    I don't agree with you, but I'm not telling you: You just need to learn the old method, then you'll understand why its better. I fully realize it might not be right for you.

     

    Notice the contrast?

  • cshapple Level 1 Level 1 (55 points)

    I sometimes use text editors like WriteRoom... but most of the time I actually WANT multiple windows up at the same time. You are right it can really reduce clutter.

     

    Fortunately this feature is optional though because most of the time I don't need it, and in fact don't want it. I need multiple windows up most of the time.

     

    If all of Lion's "features" were optional and you could still do it the old way, there would be a lot fewer complaints.

     

    Imagine for a moment if Lion made all apps fullscreen, whether you wanted them or not. I bet a lot more people would be freaking out.

     

    That's how a lot of us feel with regard to the old Spaces/Expose versus Mission Control.

  • RobBT Level 1 Level 1 (75 points)

    Collin,
     
    Would you mind posting a screenshot of Mail full-screen? Or point to an example on the internet?
    From when I first heard of it I'm curious to find out how Apple resolved this.

  • Thebestplacehere Level 3 Level 3 (705 points)

    I love mision control you can concentrate in what you doing and think  what can you do next..

    Your comments remembers me the first ones about FCP X but now people is seeing that apple right and is more important do than try to look that you doing,you now can concentrate in the content that is on front of you and if you need another desktop then is there with a default gesture,you don't need configure and have the full screen apps with other apps in the same space because you want see expose in all your spaces at the same times because you think that it look like you doing something and makes you think you cool...

    I think is a good idea for people that really want and is doing things but may no so good  for people that don't want do anything just look at the screen and think i am cool...Because if you are why you complaining instead of get the idea and do thing..

    Macs are for create no for watch..

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