Lion WARNING Power PC apps not supported :-(

It's not easy to uninstall, wipe the drive clean, and install the older OS. A warning would have been a good idea. I have spent hundreds upon hundreds of dollars in the last few days upgrading all of the software that used to work fine on Snow Leopard. It is not that much fun to be hit hard in the pockebook without warning.

Ken

Also, to find out, even the upgraded software is not able to run in 64-bit Lion (Steinberg Cubase, and others for music are in a tizzy right now.) It will take the marketplace months to catch up with this new release.

Kenneth Nielsen wrote:

It's not easy to uninstall, wipe the drive clean, and install the older OS. A warning would have been a good idea. I have spent hundreds upon hundreds of dollars in the last few days upgrading all of the software that used to work fine on Snow Leopard. It is not that much fun to be hit hard in the pockebook without warning.

Ken

Also, to find out, even the upgraded software is not able to run in 64-bit Lion (Steinberg Cubase, and others for music are in a tizzy right now.) It will take the marketplace months to catch up with this new release.

Why did you not take the time to backup your existing installation (a routine that should be a pre-requisite for any user with data that is of value to them) before performing a complete OS replacement?

And why did you not take the few moments it would have taken to check with Steinberg etc before changing operating systems?

How do you suggest that Apple should have informed the 'average' user (a number in the millions with a disparate collection of applicatins from a disparate number of manufacturers) about this change?

Csound1 wrote:

Why did you not take the time to backup your existing installation (a routine that should be a pre-requisite for any user with data that is of value to them) before performing a complete OS replacement?

And why did you not take the few moments it would have taken to check with Steinberg etc before changing operating systems?

Because I do have a complete backup with Super Duper and with time machine as well, so I don't need another.

Steinberg and others are not as important to me as they are almost always behind the times when it comes to upgrading OS's. They are also impossible to reach so it's never worth the effort. I will just wait until they come around to the upgrade change.

I believe in upgrading OSX and know that there will be issues from the start.

This upgrade has a huge amount of 'more' issues than any past upgrade, including the upgrade from 9.2.2 to OSX Tiger.

This one will require some time for the third-parties to actually be on-board with their new offerings.

Ken

Csound1 wrote:

How do you suggest that Apple should have informed the 'average' user (a number in the millions with a disparate collection of applicatins from a disparate number of manufacturers) about this change?

A simple comment line on the Apple Lion introductory page, and on the download page as a warning, would have been easy enough.

Kenneth Nielsen wrote:

Csound1 wrote:

How do you suggest that Apple should have informed the 'average' user (a number in the millions with a disparate collection of applicatins from a disparate number of manufacturers) about this change?

A simple comment line on the Apple Lion introductory page, and on the download page as a warning, would have been easy enough.

As the average user has failed to take note of any of the information disseminated by Apple (and others) regarding Lion compatibility why do you think this would have made any difference?

By the time they get to the last hurdle (the download page) most are so excited about Lion they are not reading anything.

Too much hand holding leads to sweaty palms.

FreehandAddict wrote:

Apple should simply make Rosetta available for a few dollars more

Rosetta is not an Apple product.

This is not good for businesses

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3207753

Kenneth Nielsen wrote:

Csound1 wrote:

Why did you not take the time to backup your existing installation (a routine that should be a pre-requisite for any user with data that is of value to them) before performing a complete OS replacement?

And why did you not take the few moments it would have taken to check with Steinberg etc before changing operating systems?

Because I do have a complete backup with Super Duper and with time machine as well, so I don't need another.

Then restore your backup.

Csound1 wrote:

all you had to do was look.

Personally: I learnt of the absence of Rosetta long ago, with a reasonable understanding of the complexities.

Thinking less selfishly, immediately following the release of 10.7 I spent some time seeking relevant consumer-facing information from Apple. I'd like to see, please:

a link to relevant information in the www.apple.com domain.

When I think of all close friends and colleagues who use Mac OS on Intel, less than one percent of them would have the foggiest notion of Rosetta or PowerPC. Whatever we think of such users, their viewpoints as customers of Apple must be considered.

For a product that is marketed so heavily as an upgrade from Snow Leopard, I find it extraordinarily careless that neither of the following Apple pages offers any hint, that some software good for Snow Leopard may cease to function following the upgrade:

OS X Lion on the Mac App Store (UK)

OS X Lion - Technical Specifications

Csound1 wrote:

How do you suggest that Apple should have informed the 'average' user …

The installer for OS X Lion is beautifully simple.

Apple might have offered to users of Snow Leopard a separate but comparably beautiful utility, a lightweight zero cost utility to be run before purchasing and downloading a massive installer. A utility to list things that are installed and that will not run on 10.7 (Build 11A511).

In my ppc-lister folder there's a file —

list some PowerPC-only files 1.0.zip

— that expands to an application for producing a log of some things that will be incompatible with 10.7 (Build 11A511). The application is simplistic, functional, certainly not beautiful. It requires lipo, which might be installed with Xcode but not with the operating system, so the appliction is not for everyone. In the log that's produced, the presence of something PowerPC-only within an .app might not mean that the .app itself will be completely unsable on Lion. (I neither have, nor seek, that level of expertise.)

Plus, there's System Profiler (Snow Leopard), System Information (Lion) and so on. Much prettier than my effort but broader in scope.

Key point: Apple could have produced something much better than what I produced, for the sole purpose of customers who are considering a major upgrade.

Critically

First and foremost:

Apple (not third parties) should offer appropriate user-friendly advice to its customers before those customers invest in a major upgrade, and that advice should be unmistakable.

Whether the consumer chooses to use something beautiful or ugly, to idenfity software that will certainly not work on Lion, the accompanying advice should be simply:

seek advice from the developer or supplier of that software.

I just bought a Mac and the Jam Packs for Garage band, I unwrapped, upgraded and installed Lion and then went to install the Jam Packs; it didn't work and I had to reboot the laptop. So to say I am a little disaapointed, is an understatement!

The requirements on the package states "MAC OSX version 10.2.6@ or later. So it should work right?

How do I get this working; I understand that garageband Jam packs are created / developed by Apple?

IS it a case of the left hand not talking to the right?

themightybuda wrote:

I just bought a Mac and the Jam Packs for Garage band, I unwrapped, upgraded and installed Lion and then went to install the Jam Packs; it didn't work and I had to reboot the laptop. So to say I am a little disaapointed, is an understatement!

The requirements on the package states "MAC OSX version 10.2.6@ or later. So it should work right?

How do I get this working; I understand that garageband Jam packs are created / developed by Apple?

IS it a case of the left hand not talking to the right?

I have jam packs too, so now you've let me know that they will not work on Lion. OSX 10.2.6 was a significant number of years ago. Lion is 10.7. I'm adopting the stance that this is going to cost me big time, but I will live through it and have the latest of everything to show for it - AFTER - the dust settles. This is a significant upgrade for those of us who rely on programs from the past. I think we just must put those days behind us now and move into the future. I'm personally ready to just let go of anything that doesn't work on Lion, and if it's something I can't live without (OmniPage Optical Character Reader) then I'll get a new Mac just to run an older OS to get me by for my work until the software vendors catch up - if ever.

Ken

Csound1 wrote:

Kenneth Nielsen wrote:

Csound1 wrote:

Why did you not take the time to backup your existing installation (a routine that should be a pre-requisite for any user with data that is of value to them) before performing a complete OS replacement?

And why did you not take the few moments it would have taken to check with Steinberg etc before changing operating systems?

Because I do have a complete backup with Super Duper and with time machine as well, so I don't need another.

Then restore your backup.

I do not want to.

I'm moving ahead with Lion.

Graham Perrin wrote:

I find it extraordinarily careless that neither of the following Apple pages offers any hint, that some software good for Snow Leopard may cease to function following the upgrade

Spot-on. Apple's omission of customer care in the form of this type of warning in this matter is causing severe customer bleeding. On top of the inability to work with PPC apps. It's a circus right now and the Lion is eating paying customers.