Does anyone recommend OS X Lion?

I know that. The link in your post had .png. I was just having a little fun. No aspersions cast on you. 😀

I don't recommend Lion, Snow Leopard is better, a lot. Lion is like Vista, bugs are almost everywhere and all the sistem is slower than before

.silversurfer wrote:

I don't recommend Lion, Snow Leopard is better, a lot. Lion is like Vista, bugs are almost everywhere and all the sistem is slower than before

Add the spellchecker to the list of non-working items .silver.

Dr.Head wrote:

Well, good for you. You like Lion and see no significant difference from SL, it works for you and you have no concerns about the future of the Mac OS.

What if we both are OK with Lion and how it works for us (except for Versions, curse it!) but have serious concerns for what it might mean for the future of the Mac OS? 😕

Dr.Head wrote:

I know that. The link in your post had .png. I was just having a little fun. No aspersions cast on you. 😀

Oh, good. Sometimes it's hard to discern tone on the 'net, you know? 😁

Sounds good. You might be a little more OK with Lion than I, but close enough.

Dr.Head wrote:

Sounds good. You might be a little more OK with Lion than I, but close enough.

I'm a person who actually likes Windows 7. It looks pretty and it does what I need it to do. And on my MBP, it runs like a dream. Not sure how it would run on a PC, but I don't care about that.

Same with Lion. As long as I can do the stuff I need to do, I'm happy. And the changes I'm seeing in Lion make me worry that someday soon, Lion won't do what I need it to do, and that in fact it'll be little more than another "app". 😐

I hate Windows computers and I certainly wouldn't pollute my Mac with their OS. I wouldn't own one even if it meant giving up computers.😠

However, I agree with you about Lion. There is genuine concern about the future of the Mac OS.

Dr.Head wrote:

However, I agree with you about Lion. There is genuine concern about the future of the Mac OS.

I think so too. I guess we're not "real" Apple fans! 😝

Dr.Head wrote:

I guess we're not "real" Apple fans! 😝 I thought I was until Lion came along. I think you're right. The definition of Apple fan has changed.

The stereotype of Apple usere is a bunch of zombies who've drunk the Apple Kool-Aid and never question or criticize Apple at all. I never "got" it before now.

I guess I never thought much about that.

So the old stereotype remains the same about Apple users, but among Apple users … .

Lion is designed to draw in a new demographic which will likely redefine the stereotype, to some extent.

About the Apple Stereotype and "Fans":

If we look at what a "fan" is specific to how the word is used in regards to technology, "Fanboy" in particular stands out. "Apple Fanboy" is very common among Apple bashers. So, if you always supported Apple's decisions you considered good, but covered up their bad decisions -- then yes you would be a fan. It's kind of like a sports fan that defends their team when they lose and makes excuses, or refuse to waver in your dedication to the team despite their record.

But I serious doubt that you were ever a "fan" in that sense because you and others haven't held your collective tongues. I'm trying ot think of the apporpriate word that means: "one that cares about someone or something so much, that they not only praise their chocies, but also point out their mistakes." But I'm not finding such a word. So, maybe we need to coin a term for us. (Yeah, I've been in this and other threads defending Apple as well, I've also leveled my criticism at them here and elsewhere when they do something I think harms Macintosh the platform.)

Is anyone here particularly good with etymology. The closest I have come is "Advisor," but it's not quite right.

Michael Ruiz2 wrote:

Is anyone here particularly good with etymology. The closest I have come is "Advisor," but it's not quite right.

One can be a fan of some or someone and still not always be 110% on board with everything that organization/person does. They can also be vocal in their criticism of the organization/person when they get something wrong.

No, I think a better term for the people who defend Apple no matter what would be "stan" (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=stan). Can also be used as a verb, as in "stanning for Apple", i.e. defending everything Apple does no matter what, even against legitimte criticism.

However, I agree with you about Lion. There is genuine concern about the future of the Mac OS.

The worry is iCloud, which Lion is really just a launchpad for. Apple wants to get as much of what you consume, create and the tools you create and use it with into a distributed database in which the only way you can access it is with, of course, an internent connection, and an AppleID.

Why? Because once you get used to working this way, you'll find that you can't live without it and you'll realise that the 'free' 5GB offering will not serve your purposes. You'll also find it irressistibly easy to sign up for the extra storage plans (Apple ID, just one click to buy, they already have your card details...) which are a way of replacing your cheap $50 hard disk with an expensive $30/per year subscription plan. Why should Apple only harvest money from selling you a hard disk once with your machine (or twice if you buy their TM disk), when they can harvest it every year by selling you iCloud....

Now, I'm not saying there are NO advantages of this. The system is useful and convenient primarily for those with several devices (iPhone, iPad, MacOS) in which they need the same apps/content (so, you're off to work, reading an article on your iPhone, you get there, and turn on your mac and continue reading on the bigger screen etc, though Dropbox gives you 2GB and is not nearly so invasive). For Apple of course, it locks you in ever tighter to their services as well as their products, eliminates anonymity on the internet, eliminates piracy and gives them a huge database of consumer use and interests to be mined for product development, advertising and who knows what other purposes.

For consumers, there are serious disadvantages. Apart from the cost, and the intrusiveness of App store and iCloud trying to get you to buy things and doing who knows what with your data, there is the fact that access to your apps and data are under Apple's control and not yours. Having your stuff locked behind an AppleID password which could be rejected at any time for technical, legal or commerical reasons is something I can't imagine ever wanting.

I hear the reply already: "So don't use iCloud" — correct, I won't. But the WORRY is that as the OS develops you will be pushed more and more for technical reasons to need it and eventually if you want to stay with Mac OS it'll become inevitable (there are many ways they could do this, but I suspect the most likely one will be by offering certain apps and features in the OS that will only run from the Cloud, and reducing the functionality of what will run natively on your machine). Obviously I'm looking a long way ahead here, but seeing what Apple have publicly said about iCloud already, that seems the obvious direction. It's just a matter of 'training' the market to accept it, and that's what Lion is all about.