Does anyone recommend OS X Lion?
I've seen many comments about people having different problems and trouble with the new OS X Lion, does anyone recommend me to download it? My current OS is Mac OS X 10.6.7.
MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.7)
I've seen many comments about people having different problems and trouble with the new OS X Lion, does anyone recommend me to download it? My current OS is Mac OS X 10.6.7.
MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.7)
Kittenmommy wrote:
One can be a fan of some or someone and still not always be 110% on board with everything that organization/person does. They can also be vocal in their criticism of the organization/person when they get something wrong.
Indeed!
Sometimes the one's we love need the harshest words...especially when their own self-interest makes them forget why we love them...
(Usability, Apple, usability... 🙂 )
softwater wrote:
Indeed!
Sometimes the one's we love need the harshest words...especially when their own self-interest makes them forget why we love them...
(Usability, Apple, usability... 🙂 )
YES.
Lion is usable for me, but I can't help but worry about the future. 😮
Kittenmommy wrote:
I'm a person who actually likes Windows 7. It looks pretty and it does what I need it to do. And on my MBP, it runs like a dream.
Are you running it via Parallels or natively in a bootcamp partition?
The reason I ask is I can't get it 'running like a dream' either way for different reasons.
In Parallels: too slow in SL (faster in Lion, but then I'm trying to stay out of my Lion OS...:p)
In Bootcamp: can't get the 'tap rather than click' method of using the touchpad to work. Do you know how to set this up?
softwater wrote:
Kittenmommy wrote:
I'm a person who actually likes Windows 7. It looks pretty and it does what I need it to do. And on my MBP, it runs like a dream.
Are you running it via Parallels or natively in a bootcamp partition?
BootCamp, bb!
softwater wrote:
The reason I ask is I can't get it 'running like a dream' either way for different reasons.
In Parallels: too slow in SL (faster in Lion, but then I'm trying to stay out of my Lion OS...:p)
In Bootcamp: can't get the 'tap rather than click' method of using the touchpad to work. Do you know how to set this up?
No, I don't. I only use Windows when I'm upstairs in our home office, where I can connect my MBP to an Apple Pro keyboard and a mouse. I hate the trackpad; on my MBP I've never met one I've liked! 😝
OK, thanks anyway. 🙂
softwater wrote:
OK, thanks anyway. 🙂
You're welcome. Wish I could help!
softwater wrote:
However, I agree with you about Lion. There is genuine concern about the future of the Mac OS.
The worry is iCloud, which Lion is really just a launchpad for. Apple wants to get as much of what you consume, create and the tools you create and use it with into a distributed database in which the only way you can access it is with, of course, an internent connection, and an AppleID.
Why? Because once you get used to working this way, you'll find that you can't live without it and you'll realise that the 'free' 5GB offering will not serve your purposes. You'll also find it irressistibly easy to sign up for the extra storage plans (Apple ID, just one click to buy, they already have your card details...) which are a way of replacing your cheap $50 hard disk with an expensive $30/per year subscription plan. Why should Apple only harvest money from selling you a hard disk once with your machine (or twice if you buy their TM disk), when they can harvest it every year by selling you iCloud....
Where do you people get such bizarre ideas? Without the local disks iCloud won't work. iTunes music apart, the users can only select the local data they decided to synchronize. When synchronizing back to another computer or device the data will be stored on local. It works like DropBox or Google synchronization. It isn't a cloud computing service where data and applications reside and run only on remote server. It's a data synchronization service and as such it will always have the option to work offline.
Said that, would you care to explain why DropBox, as you stated, would be less intrusive than iCloud? 1Password has the option to move the password db in DropBox. Can you think anything more dangerous? Especially after DropBox last July had a security hole where ALL accounts were accessible for few hours without any password. Also DropBox has clear access to all data, our data if they want to. It's encrypted but they have the keys to decrypt it. For legal reasons they say. Not sure if iCloud works in the same way. It probably will since it is based solely on the Apple ID.
Then, if Lion is the launchpad for iCloud, how does it happen that iCloud will be available for Windows Vista and 7 as well? More than a launchpad for Lion I'd consider it a trojan horse for Safari and especially iTunes in Windows since it will come with the incredible feature that just for few dollars per year one will mark in iTunes as bought, and so downloadable at any time in any device, all the broken mp3 s/he ripped from CD (if available in iTunes obviously). The space consumed won't add to the iCloud quota since for any song there is just a single copy in the iTunes servers for all users. That also means.. even music downloaded illegally will get the original copy from iTunes.
Don't get me wrong, but if that is the direction some people are afraid Apple is taking, thanks God that Apple isn't listening. I hope that anyone afraid of iCloud isn't using DropBox already. That would be a nonsense.
Kittenmommy wrote:
Dr.Head wrote:
However, I agree with you about Lion. There is genuine concern about the future of the Mac OS.
I think so too. I guess we're not "real" Apple fans! 😝
Fan should be an abbreviation of fanatic:
No, I guess that some people in this discussion are not fans at all!! 😀
Personally I've found it easy to be a fan of Apple since the beginning. At most everything was beautiful and worked just right. The only disappointment was the price. I couldn't afford to pay for Apple products.
Regarding Lion I am not fanatic about it. I see plenty of things that need an improvement, and I am very disappointed with the memory management. It seems anything takes twice the memory than in Snow Leopard. Not even 4GB RAM seem to be enough and my MacBook has a 3GB RAM limit. I wonder if that is the price to pay for slightly better performances. Apart from that I like it more than the previous releases and I've seen that many of the little issues bothering me would be fixed having a more recent MacBook coming with the magic trackpad. And more memory, sure!
softwater wrote:
In Parallels: too slow in SL (faster in Lion, but then I'm trying to stay out of my Lion OS...:p)
I just downloaded Parallels 7 trial yesterday and installed Win7 in a 768MB virtual machine. I can't believe my eyes. OS X doesn't have any performances issues at all (well, until it starts paging out 2GB of RAM. But after that it seems stable again. Strange enough right now the swap used is at 38MB only with Safari and Mail running on top of it) and Windows is just a little slow moving the windows around. Only Coherence is a little bit too much resources demanding, but the full screen mode just works like a dream!
I think you really should consider to upgrade back to Lion. 😝
@Michelasso: it might help make his decision easier of whether he wants to run Parallels under Lion if you mentioned what machine you are running it on. (Model, CPU speed, Video Card, type of HD/rotational speed) because if he has a older machnie he won't see the performance you are seeing.
Michelasso wrote:
softwater wrote:
In Parallels: too slow in SL (faster in Lion, but then I'm trying to stay out of my Lion OS...:p)
I just downloaded Parallels 7 trial yesterday and installed Win7 in a 768MB virtual machine. I can't believe my eyes. OS X doesn't have any performances issues at all (well, until it starts paging out 2GB of RAM. But after that it seems stable again. Strange enough right now the swap used is at 38MB only with Safari and Mail running on top of it) and Windows is just a little slow moving the windows around. Only Coherence is a little bit too much resources demanding, but the full screen mode just works like a dream!
I think you really should consider to upgrade back to Lion. 😝
Haha! Thanks for the 'advice' Michel!
As I said somewhere at the beginning of this thread a 100pages or so ago 😮 one of the ironies of Lion is that it makes it easier to use Windows instead of Mac... 😊
Where do you people get such bizarre ideas?
I have an active imagination...and I've worked in a few places...
I know what you're saying, but you're assuming that iCloud won't evolve into the central repository of the OS instead of just being a backup to it. Where I get the idea from is neither here nor there, and I'll admit I can't cite you any evidence. But that's the worry I wanted to share, justified or not.
DropBox security doesn't concern me. I don't keep the 1password keychain in there and I only use it for a very few, non-confidential files in case I don't take my MBP to work for some reason.
I didn't know about the Win7 implementation but it doesn't surprise me. The whole industry will go this way. It's the answer to killing media piracy on the net. I have no problem with that, I just don't like what's going to come with it.
Anyway, enough. I have no agenda to push or need to convince anyone of my view. I'm just sharing my worries. If you're not worried, good for you!
EDIT:
It's a data synchronization service and as such it will always have the option to work offline.
Actually, I'm not sure where you've go that assurance from. Can you point me to a source? Thx 🙂
Michael Ruiz2 wrote:
@Michelasso: it might help make his decision easier of whether he wants to run Parallels under Lion if you mentioned what machine you are running it on. (Model, CPU speed, Video Card, type of HD/rotational speed) because if he has a older machnie he won't see the performance you are seeing.
Right! Late 2006 White MacBook, Intel Core 2 Duo, 2GHz, 3GB RAM with Intel GMA 950 for the graphics!
Now the swap used raised to 450MB in OS X. Win7 has a Commit space of 1297MB with just Chrome and few Explorer windows. Still, no noticeable slowdowns in Lion. Obviously Windows doesn't perform at the top, but still it's doing a good job. Win games wouldn't run even in BootCamp, so that is not an issue for me.
Pretty impressive, huh? 🙂
softwater wrote:
EDIT:
It's a data synchronization service and as such it will always have the option to work offline.
Actually, I'm not sure where you've go that assurance from. Can you point me to a source? Thx 🙂
It is in the iCloud section in the Apple web site. And then I have my sources. Like YouTube. 🙂
It is true that the terminology can make it confusing. Apple says "no need to synchronize" which is misleading. They meant synchronize with the Mac/PC with the cable or whatever. iCloud uploads the new documents in the iCloud server, and when you connect a new device with your Apple ID the server pushes all new documents to the device (where? in the local data storage unit. HDD or flash for the iDevices. Where else?). If the connection drops one must have the local copy to keep working.
Then it may working differently if we are using a computer or an iDevice. Let's look at the Photo Stream: due to the limited size of flash memory in the iDevices these will store locally only 1000 pictures. Still, the Master Photo Library in iCloud server will be pushed in (but I still prefer to say "synchronized with") OS X or Windows computers.
Applications and music simply rely on the App Store and iTunes. Whatever has been bought is available to all devices. The only difference is that iCloud can transparently push all new applications and music to all devices if told so.
The major difference with, let's say, DropBox is that all these processes will be transparent to the users. Which is an advantage. I believe one will have to chose which application should synchronize the documents. As long as the applications have been compiled with the iCloud modules to work. Now the question is if it will be possible to chose which documents of the same application should belong to iCloud and which not. Knowing Apple it will probably be so stubborn to chose again the option all or nothing. If so one is free to not synchronize the confidential data still enjoying all other services.
Oh yeah. Among other things there also is the new me.com account that will be kept on sync and accessible from the web site. Nothing new under the Sun. It just pushes more users into a standard Apple ecosystem. After all Apple is there to make even more money, isn't it? 😀
The major difference with, let's say, DropBox is that all these processes will be transparent to the users. |
What gives you that idea? 😉
But enough already, I think we'll have to "wait and see" when iCloud goes public.
No doubt we can then start a new thread 'Does anyone recommend iCloud' and see how far we can get! 😀
Does anyone recommend OS X Lion?