Does anyone recommend OS X Lion?
I've seen many comments about people having different problems and trouble with the new OS X Lion, does anyone recommend me to download it? My current OS is Mac OS X 10.6.7.
MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.7)
I've seen many comments about people having different problems and trouble with the new OS X Lion, does anyone recommend me to download it? My current OS is Mac OS X 10.6.7.
MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.7)
softwater wrote:
As I said somewhere at the beginning of this thread a 100pages or so ago 😮 one of the ironies of Lion is that it makes it easier to use Windows instead of Mac... 😊
While I appreciate the joke technically it is not accurate. It would be correct to say: Lion makes even Windows easier to use while still enjoying the full OS X experience!!
Not the same thing, you know.. 😀
BTW did I tell you that in Parallels Windows uses the natural scrolling? No more messing with inverted scrolls!
softwater wrote:
The major difference with, let's say, DropBox is that all these processes will be transparent to the users.
What gives you that idea? 😉
But enough already, I think we'll have to "wait and see" when iCloud goes public.
No doubt we can then start a new thread 'Does anyone recommend iCloud' and see how far we can get! 😀
Ha! It started already. To me, iCloud is good for you. 😉
How many times we had to reconfigure a PC at work and make it working again as we were used to? With ICloud it should be as easy as logging in with the Apple ID. Then in background we should get the configuration settings, bookmarks, applications etc, practically cloning our regular environment. Well... maybe in a couple of years from now. For sure in the iDevices as soon as it is out.
To answer your question I have got that idea reading in the Apple site and watching few videos. iCloud has a preference panel and there we decide what belongs to it. After that the synchronization (or pushing or whatever Apple wants to call it) will be done in background. Like with Lotus notes for the email and Notes applications. Google Chrome for its applications, settings, bookmarks, themes, extensions etc.
The big difference is that iCloud will include a framework and SDK to have applications developed to make the use of iCloud consistent across all different platforms. Yes, even Windows. How many iDevice users will be happy to pay for MS Office if they can't have instantly in their computer the documents they just modified yesterday with the iPad or iPhone as they will be used to?
It must be clear that iCloud technology is very old and a very old concept. As usual Apple just waited for the right time to push it. Which means generally high speed broadband connections worldwide and free WiFI access points (not here in Italy, obviously) and the market lead in mobile devices. Being the first (again) will give another advantage in the computing (mobile and desktop) market.
Regarding if we'll like it or not.. as you say we'll see. I just know that I will be an early adopter!! 😉
Where do you people get such bizarre ideas?
Perhaps it is you who has the bizarre idea if you think the scenario in question is not a real threat. You seem to understand how things work, but you apparently think the future of this technology will remain the same. How likely is that? Two, five or ten years from now it will certainly not work the same as you are describing now. And that is the concern being expressed here.
Look how quickly iPad sold millions because of iPod/iPhone users already knowing how to use it. Jobs said that would happen in his keynote intro of iPad. That is very smart marketing. And it follows that the introduction of iOS features into OS X is intended to draw iDevice users to the Mac.
iTunes, the App Store and other convenient services are connecting users to Apple. Lion opened the door to downloaded software which will likely make disks obsolete eventually. TV is headed for wireless, phone lines and cable will look like analog antennas in the not too distant future. Verizon has had a wireless home phone service for a while now.
All of this sets the stage for capturing the majority of the computer consumer market -- for Apple. And you’re OK with this or at least don’t see it as any kind of threat?! Seems to me that there is a very real, valid concern about the future of personal computing. Windows certainly won’t sit still while Apple grabs market share. And Big Brother is paying attention to what is going on with the FCC and bandwidth. Even offline computing would require either working with outdated software or having a second computer just to stay current if you want to opt out of online working.
This line of thought may seem far fetched to you, but things change quickly and this technology does not stay the same for long. Apple changes something every six months and updates software more frequently. What you think is bizarre, others think is likely or inevitable. Twentieth century thinking is long gone and I don’t welcome this brave new world. It’s hard to wrap our minds around the fact that we are in the second decade of the twenty-first century. Anyone who pays attention to any technology can see how quickly everything is changing. Bizarre? I think not.
Nice try with the historical revisionism:
BTW did I tell you that in Parallels Windows uses the natural scrolling? No more messing with inverted scrolls!
What you call inverted scrolls I call natural movements of the cursor. Of course, when you use an iPhone or even an iPad, the cursor is almost invisible, hence irrelevant. Everthing is a finger tap, which only works to a point -- your fingertip. Not very refined or accurate; rather messy.
With Snow Leopard, I scroll the cursor relative to the apparent surface, rather than scrolling the surface relative to the cursor as Lion requires. Using Lion is like reading a page by holding up a book and raising it line by line and moving it sideways while your eyes remain fixed on a point; or to write, by moving a sheet of paper under your pen point, which you hold motionless. Using SL is like scanning with your eyes and moving your pen. I challenge you to tell me which is more "natural."
One of the reasons smartphones and tablets feel so kludgy is that they employ inverse scrolling and similar counterintuitive interface tropes -- because they have to, their form factors are so small and otherwise maladapted for human use. Macs look and feel elegant. If, however, Apple forces its customers' hands (no pun intended) by saddling Macs with smartphone-like interfaces, the resulting decrease in proprioceptive functionality -- not as you define it, but as measurable by objective observation -- will work against the Mac's superior performance as a computer. Macs will remain great for ordering up and watching flicks and listening to sounds -- a market Apple may have chosen as its main future profit center, if so mistakenly because others can so easily compete in that space -- but they will be less useful for thoughtful productive labor. "Duh, think different."
One of my designer friends who helped refine the original Mac interface recently led a team at Google doing the same for Android (and pretty well, too). A couple years later, he's left Google to tackle a more challeging interface design problem. I suspect that designing interfaces for smartphones quickly got old and didn't make suffiicient demands of his abundant creativity and good taste, just as smartphones don't give their users much respect, either.
Nothing about Lion argues that more efficient or effective computing was part of its design brief. Your happy cackling about Windows going down the same route is the call of the lemming. Hasn't Microsoft always been a follower? Maybe that's Apple's ploy, to lead Microsoft over the cliff of dysfunctional design. If so, it should provide an alternative plotline for those of us who don't want to play extras in this sad farce.
I do publishing and Photoshop. I did it in 1986 with OS 6 and I'm doing the same thing now with LION with the same speed and efficiency.
No advancements. In fact, some things have been going backward. And some things go backward, then forward, then backward and forward again.
The only reason for change in hardware and software is to sell more hardware and software. If everyone buys a Mac and is happy, then sales stop dead the next day. But keep changing the OS and advertise "ALL NEW AND IMPROVED!" people run out and buy more hardware and software. (Notice how Apple always manages to make new hardware incompatible with older software and new software incompatible with older hardware. It's a never-ending cycle. When they've got you by the b****, your hearts and minds soon follow.)
Granted, more computer power was needed for digital video and Apple has made great advances in this area. That's about it.
Definately NOT.
At least until ServicePack 1 or something like that.
It's VERY unstable in various environments, have a lot of glitches and is really half-done system. Lots of compatibility problems, problems with networking in anything but "Airport Extreme"-based environment, mission control glitches like ****, lots of other instability problems.
I really feel like "The Windows times come back" after upgrading to Lion.
And all that with both my pcs - new 2011 MB Air and new Mac Mini.
Definately not at this time. I upgraded and am regreting it.
The chief problem is that my Internet wife keeps dropping out and I have to run diagnostics to reset it. Each time I do it asks for my Wifi security key and does not seem to remember it. I probably have to reset my internet connection five or six times a day.
Dr.Head wrote:
iTunes, the App Store and other convenient services are connecting users to Apple. Lion opened the door to downloaded software which will likely make disks obsolete eventually. TV is headed for wireless, phone lines and cable will look like analog antennas in the not too distant future. Verizon has had a wireless home phone service for a while now.
All of this sets the stage for capturing the majority of the computer consumer market -- for Apple. And you’re OK with this or at least don’t see it as any kind of threat?!
Am I missing something? This is technology advancing. It makes the SW products cheaper and it is eco-friendly. No more packages, boxes, paper, optical discs wasted. Not to mention the fuel used to go to the shop or have the packages delivered from the other side of the World. Usually China. Even if I must admit I like the computer SW on digital form (I mean, downloadable) but I want my PS3 games to be on Blu Ray disc when possible. Also wireless is good. I have something like 30 cables and wires in my bedroom. I don't know where to put them anymore. I wish even the power supplies were wireless. But we digress.
Let's focus on iCloud. From what I understood now it won't be much different from Mobile Me. Just an upgrade with a shiny marketing name and.. a free 5GB of storage. Which is the only big difference with the past. Nothing new. Cloud computing is another thing. It is when the data and applications are stored and run in one or more remote servers in the Internet. Scaring? New technology? Whatever? Not at all. It is what X-Terminals have been doing for years ages ago in the local area networks.
This thing about remote computing and/or diskless workstations has been going on forever. Cyclically it comes back rightly getting all kinds of criticisms and regularly failing, apart in few specialized environments. That's why I don't consider iCloud or any equivalent a potential threat. It's an already seen movie. People won't like to have to rely on something external that may fail for their own data. They (we) want to feel in control. No matter if it is a toy, a mobile device or a desktop computer. It is a psychological thing. Also don't forget that Apple sells HW with an high return in profit. 1TB of remote storage area in a SAN would (and will) be ridiculously expensive for common users. Just for the lack of ability to store videos (large storage needed) and to boot at fast speed (possible only on local disks) no one would buy a diskless solution. The market would simple refuse it and for sure it isn't what iCloud is right now.
Actually I am pretty sure that once iCloud will be public the general comment will be: this is it? A little bit like with Lion for some.. 🙂
Great post, Bob. Right now 10.7.1 has the option to change the default scrolling back to the way I have done it on my Macs since 1997. I have to wonder if Apple will remove the option and force users to change scrolling directions. There is a post in here somewhere from someone who said the default scrolling felt odd at first but they got used to it after a few days and now it feels normal. I can't imagine that Apple would remove such a small option, but it wouldn't surprise me either.
You guys should stop posting, get together, and write a book. I'll publish it!
Seriously.
Dr. Lara
Bob Jacobson wrote:
Nice try with the historical revisionism:
BTW did I tell you that in Parallels Windows uses the natural scrolling? No more messing with inverted scrolls!
What you call inverted scrolls I call natural movements of the cursor.
Revisionism?! That's a bit harsh isn't it? 😝
To be honest in the touching logic the Lion one is natural. One just needs to forget about scroll bars for a second and move the screen as we move a piece of paper with the fingers. But I tried once with the mouse and I admit I've got totally lost using the wheel. The original movement is the right natural one because it follows the scroll bars and that is how a piece of paper would move if the wheel was to touch it.
In any case.. I was joking with Softwater... Just messing up!!
Lion seems to work fine on my MacBook Pro; no issues or problems however a little frustrated that older software for intel Mac's no longer works especially Adobe CS. Unfortunate Apple are adopting an even more agressive stance to marketing.
The answer to your question is:
Yes. You are missing something.
LaraCroft_NYC wrote:
You guys should stop posting, get together, and write a book. I'll publish it!
Seriously.
Dr. Lara
Nah... that would become productive and I am just in the mood of wasting my precious knowledge. 😀
BTW ... LARA!!! Ready to be reborn (again)?!
Dr.Head wrote:
The answer to your question is:
Yes. You are missing something.
Ah, I don't care. 2012 is near, we will be all dead anyhow. That's scary!
I mean, if we have to be catastrophists let's do it seriously.
Does anyone recommend OS X Lion?