Does anyone recommend OS X Lion?

A few people are having problems but seem to be isolated to poor maintenance, not reading up on which apps will no longer work with PPC going by the way side, or else just the same ones who carry on with every update because of change from their comfort zone.

Anyone who's spent more than ten minutes researching Lion on the internet will now how utterly false that is, and there are plenty of examples in this thread, and this forum, of real issues with Lion. Wifi anybody?

People without issues, generally about 95% I think you will find, have no reason to vent as they have no issues. This is a forum for the minority that are having problems. Apple never made anybody update to Lion. So if you read all on this 'apparent' disaster it begs the question, "Why did you upgrade so soon?"

keats2010 wrote:

So if you read all on this 'apparent' disaster it begs the question, "Why did you upgrade so soon?"

No it doesn't. I haven't vented anything about Lion. Personally, I have no bug issues with it (well, only minor ones that are typical for release .1), but I know this is not true for everyone. Many people are experiencing crashes and beach balls on brand new machines, and ones' that are certainly newer than my mid-2009 MacbookPro.

No. For me, the fact is I, like many others, just don't like what Lion is intended to do. In usability terms its just poor design. If you just use a computer for light tasks or entertainment you probably think its fine. If you use it, as I do, as a serious business tool for creating media content in several different apps, its very poor in terms of usability compared to SL.

I upgraded because I'm involved in development. I keep Lion on an external disk, but I use SL for my main work, and only boot into Lion for dev work.

softwater wrote:

Many people are experiencing crashes and beach balls on brand new machines, and ones' that are certainly newer than my mid-2009 MacbookPro.

On brand new machines or in machines newer than your MBP, like the MBP 2010?

Also... if brand new, did they migrate the old user accounts and applications? Because at that point it wouldn't change much. But it's true, that's an operation many old Mac users usually must do.

(BTW forget about Lion. Doesn't the editor of this forum suck badly?!? This is the worst issue I've got lately!!)

The beachballs and crashes and such seem very much user

dependent. Before anyone get riled, I don't mean this to say

these are stupid people or that they don't know what the

are talking about. It is possible that these people have downloaded

or installed something that they were not even aware of

and Lion causes it to rear its ugly head. It could even be

some odd preference set long ago and forgotten about.

The reason I say this is that I have a 2011 13" i7 Macbook Pro.

I have seen tons of threads of people with identical machines

having all manner of black screen, beachballs and crashes. Yet,

my machine runs really fast, cool and smooth. I have had no

issues with it whatsoever. Therefor, those people have to have

something installed that is different or have some configuration

that is different that is causing the issue. It could be just a

combination of settings that had no effect in SL but creates

an issue in Lion.

This is where the frustration comes in. With twice as many Macs

now as there were when SL was released, the issue gets multiplied.

Without being able to do a side by side comparison of good versus

bad, it makes solving the problems very difficult. Perhaps sending

a system report to Apple along with your issues will help to get a

solution.

Sorry Dr. Head but I have a home business mainly doing bookkeeping for several medium size businesses. I consider this as serious work.

People without issues, generally about 95% I think you will find, have no reason to vent as they have no issues. This is a forum for the minority that are having problems. Apple never made anybody update to Lion. So if you read all on this 'apparent' disaster it begs the question, "Why did you upgrade so soon?"

A. In regard to your prior posting before this one, how many Apple users who have installed Lion do you really know? I doubt it's more than a handful.

B. With regard to this statement above, you don't know. You cite a percentage of "people without issues" that's not in keeping with this forum's experience nor with the ratings in the Apple Store, which have over the last two months gone from ecstatic to really bummed out.

This type of boosterism helps no one, neither Apple nor its customers (most of whom remain fans despite putting up with some truly BS software). It tells us nothing except that you are happy, which you said once before. Congratulations.

There is nothing in Lion that shouts out "Don't Update" but there are enough issues that many are experiencing that also don't make it a compelling update at least for now. With my Macbook Air with 4G memory I'm seeing the now common spinning beachball and occasional fan activity that never occurred prior to Lion. Everyone is now aware of the large amount of memory used by Safari and the inordinate amount used by that kernel process which no one can really explain. These are issues that occur no matter how much memory you have nor what applications you have installed. I have only a couple of non Apple applications on this machine, probably as simple a set up as anyone could have. The zoom feature that always gets messed up if you let your screen saver activate is being experienced by everyone I know as well as a ton of posters on these forums. Also I've seen far more first time posters in these forums than ever before after an OS update. That seems relevant to me. I believe there will be resolutions to most of these issues, they are certainly being widely enough reported to get noticed.

None of these things make me desparate enough to try to downgrade to Snow Leopard or to do all the clean install, restore, wipe, chicken sacrifices or any other voodoo that I read about other people trying but for my simple needs remaining on Snow Leopard would have been just fine.

”Sorry Dr. Head but I have a home business mainly doing bookkeeping for several medium size businesses. I consider this as serious work.“

Care to leave a quote so I know to what you are referring? I don't see any relevance to my last two posts.

Leslie Bell wrote:

with miniscule point counts telling long term users with vastly higher point counts

Just straight ahead: Point counts are irrelevant. It's useless and senseless to see it as a scale of knowledge.

Point count tell's NOTHING about lore or expierience with any issue or problem discussed here.

lupunus

~Bee wrote:

(Slight interruption, sorry . . .)

Just a comment.

Most long time users here know the terms of use. Be polite, be respectful, no name calling, etc.

Some don't, apparently.

Almost everyone who's posted here has very strong opinions, obviously.

But there's no excuse for calling people newbies, or challenging their wisdom because their registration date is newer than others . . . calling someone's opinions worthless. Registration dates have nothing to do with computer/Mac knowledge or experience. Lots of us have been here since 2004. Big deal.

For the newer members here . . .

We're all equal, and everyone is welcome. Don't let anyone try to tell you otherwise.

Just try to keep the arguments civil.

✌

Having just returned from my trip to Cern I have been here longer than I have been here, I got here before I left 🙂

Csound1 wrote:

Having just returned from my trip to Cern I have been here longer than I have been here, I got here before I left 🙂

Were you traveling around in a police box with this tweedy English guy in a bow tie, by any chance? 😁

He's English?

Actually it was a quick squirt through the Opera Project tube, home of the first observed particles to travel faster than light (unless Cern made a really expensive, really public mistake)

Einstein must be rattling around in his box.

There was a young woman named Bright,

Who traveled much faster than light.

She set out one day

In a relative way,

And returned on the previous night.

Csound1 wrote:

He's English?

Well, he's never really said. But the accent...

Csound1 wrote:

Actually it was a quick squirt through the Opera Project tube, home of the first observed particles to travel faster than light (unless Cern made a really expensive, really public mistake)

Einstein must be rattling around in his box.

LOL! That sounds awesome! 😁

Csound1 wrote:

Having just returned from my trip to Cern I have been here longer than I have been here, I got here before I left 🙂

I get the same feeling. I haven't been visiting here very often and come back to the same circular discussion. Lion works great on my Early 2008 MBP. No complaints whatever. The more I use it the better I like it.

😉 cornelius