Does anyone recommend OS X Lion?

You know, there are two possiblities, and I don't know which I think are worse:

1. You only care about functionality that you use. You won't understand until something that is fundamental to YOUR workflow is removed.

2. You would defend absolutely anything, even removal of the command line, as progress, as a matter of principle.

Which is it?

I don't loath versions, but I do see security implications. I quite often write what I am thinking about my boss, the government, my sex life etc, and then decide it is not such a good idea to go public. But it's all there in perpetuity. McCarthy and the Thought Police would have a field day😉

I'd like to see an option to limit the number of versions being kept. One would be no different from the MS Office .bak feature. Two or three may be fine for disaster recovery and backtracking, but sometimes one wants to forget the distant past...

...Backwards is people refusing to learn more efficient ways to use their computer system and wanting to stay in the past. OSX was a disaster, then Tiger and Leopard in particular and Lord help us when Snow Leopard came along and almost destroyed mankind. All h*ll broke loose on these forums.

A. You're quite arrogant to declare that people refuse to use their computers efficiently. Refusing to waste time with a failed OS is called moving on. A good case can be made -- has been made, in a dozen forums and even in the Apple Store -- that Lion is a less efficient way to use your Mac. Going back to SL feels like an upgrade, and is.

B. "OSX was a disaster...."? You preferred OS 9? Vista? Linux? I don't get it.

C. "Lord help us when Snow Leopard came along and almost destroyed mankind. All h*ll broke loose on these forums." Sorry, I don't remember it that way at all. People were rather pleased at SL's ease of installation, parsimony in terms of memory requirements, robustness, and the speed of applications running under SL. It was widely acknowledged as groundbreaking. Come back to earth.

When SL came out these forums were full of complaints. It broke all sorts of things. And just because you don't like Lion doesn't mean it's a failed OS. I love it, much more than SL. So why is it you think your opinion is the end all be all of opinions here? Arrogance maybe? Come back to earth.

I don't have security worries; I just loathe Versions and want a way to disable it.

Yeah, me too. At first I thought this would be easy: just don't use programs (oops, sorry, they're called 'apps' now, right?) that have it. OK, I can give up Pages and use either Word or LibreOffice, no probs. The problem is Preview. It's a toss up which riles me more, Versions or Adobe's poor design and invasive backdoor processes.

Probably time to look around for another PDF viewer. Anyone got any recomendantions?

Answering my own question, just found 'Skim':

http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/24590/skim

Interesetingly, Skim has been updated for Lion and claims to 'disable Mac OS X 10.7 Lion's built-in window restoration feature' (presumably that means only for itself).

I'm downloading it now, but would be interseted if anyone has any experience of using this program.

When SL came out these forums were full of complaints. It broke all sorts of things. And just because you don't like Lion doesn't mean it's a failed OS. I love it, much more than SL. So why is it you think your opinion is the end all be all of opinions here? Arrogance maybe? Comeback to earth.

Guess we have different recollections. I don't remember a lot of complaints about Snow Leopard, but perhaps your problems with it were mirrored by those who joined the conversations dealing with "breakage." I remember quite a lot of praise, which is unusual for a new OS.

You love Lion, much more than SL. That's your opinion. I referred in my comments to 150 pages of complaints (and rebuttals, to be sure) regarding problems, pages mirrored extensively throughout the support forums. Not my opinion alone. Dictionary.com defines arrogance as "an offensive display of superioirity or self-importance." I stand by my words earlier. Earth out.

Gee Bob, peace out man! lol OSX in it's very first incantation was a disaster and few moved away from 9. Jaguar and Panther righted the wrongs and then along came Tiger, Leopard and Snow Leopard, all howled down by the minority represented here in a forum which is set up to help those having issues with their installations. A great deal of us have lived through the forums overflowing with complaints at every update, Snow Leopard included. IMHO Leopard was the most stable followed by SL. But if you came here after their release, you would declare both an absolute disaster, as many are declaring Lion is. That was my opinion (if I am entitled to one as you are) and in your words,

"Not my opinion alone. Dictionary.com defines arrogance as "an offensive display of superioirity or self-importance." I stand by my words earlier. Earth out."

Not bouncing mail is actually a good idea.

Every time you bounce a email, it verifies to

the sender that the email address is valid and

can be forwarded to other spammers.

Also, if the spam was generated by an automated

process, the sender won't ever see or care if the

mail was bounced.

It may be coincidence or not, but since I stopped

bouncing emails I seem to be getting much less

spam.

My recollection is that 10.0.0 was unusable. By 10.0.4 I was able to try out X. Slowly but surely it has become more solid, stand fast the user objections to UI changes and methods of working. I can understand some upsets with workflow routines but you are correct, there were explosions around here with EVERY release and so it will continue. The next explosion must be iCloud. 😉 Meanwhile, I am quite happily using Lion on two iMacs and have not seen SL for weeks.

ScotMij wrote:

I am quite happily using Lion on two iMacs and have not seen SL for weeks.

On the other hand, I have two installations of Lion (for dev and beta testing) and one of SL (my main workhorse). I boot into all three every day, but it's always a relief to finish messing about with Lion and get back to SL.

Latest bug: in one version of Lion, the spacebar does not uncheck the 'resume' button in the login window (nor do other keys work, only the trackpad); in the other installation of Lion the spacebar does work.

Could you explain the logic of this argument:

Every time you bounce a email, it verifies to

the sender that the email address is valid

Doesn't NOT bouncing prove the email address is valid?

softwater wrote:

Interesetingly, Skim has been updated for Lion and claims to 'disable Mac OS X 10.7 Lion's built-in window restoration feature' (presumably that means only for itself).

That would disable the Resume feature for Skim only. Not sure if you were looking for a way to disable Versions.

Anyway, TinkerTool among other Lion's specific things has a panel to set Resume on a per application base. The Lion's bashers may find it useful! 😉

EDIT: Actually I am not sure it works. I doubled checked it now and for some applications it still restores the windows. It may still be worth to give it a try, tho.

Michelasso wrote:

softwater wrote:

Interesetingly, Skim has been updated for Lion and claims to 'disable Mac OS X 10.7 Lion's built-in window restoration feature' (presumably that means only for itself).

That would disable the Resume feature for Skim only. Not sure if you were looking for a way to disable Versions.

Anyway, TinkerTool among other Lion's specific things has a panel to set Resume on a per application base. The Lion's bashers may find it useful! 😉

Yes, I realise that Michel, that was the point of my comment in parentheses. 😉

Versions cannot be disabled, only repeatedly deleted (see here).

I don't know TinkerTool (I'll check it out, thx 🙂 ) but you can disable Resume without it (see here).

softwater wrote:

Could you explain the logic of this argument:

Every time you bounce a email, it verifies to

the sender that the email address is valid

Doesn't NOT bouncing prove the email address is valid?

The best way to react to spam is ignore it and "delete unread".

Another very useful option is to uncheck "Display remote images in HTML e-mails"

Not bouncing verifies nothing, as the sender receive no information at all about the whereabouts of his e-mail's.

In the Internet's standard (smtp) e-mail protocol a bounced e-mail createa Non-Delivery Report (NDR). It's an automated message from a mail system (mail server) informing the sender about a delivery problem.

For that, bouncing mails is like hanging posters on the fence of your home, saying: "This is not a house" to prevent burglar.

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