Does anyone recommend OS X Lion?

Dr.Head wrote:

29.99 Euros is $40.35.

And that was the price for Snow Leopard. Lion is 23.99 euro. That includes 20% VAT (actually 21% now in Italy. Thank you Berlusconi!! - Sorry for the rant, but you know..).

Dr.Head wrote:

So basically, if one wants to get a rid fo all Versions in a system(for example for privacy issues) s/he must know the administrator password and delete that Folder. It's probably better to do it via Terminal with the command:

rm -rf /.DocumentRevisions-V100

Does that disable Versions permanently in the OS?

That command was messy. You may end up not saving anymore. One should run

sudo rm -rf /.DocumentRevisions-V100/PerUID/

that deletes all Versions documents for all users. To delete only our documents run

sudo rm -rf /.DocumentRevisions-V100/PerUID/<UID>

where <UID> is our user ID number. One can see it as the output of

id -u

****DO IT AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!****

And no, there is no definitive way to disable Versions permanently. Not that I know about at least. Software should know more, he is in the discussion about this.

To be honest I'd discourage people to do the manual remove from Termnal. It's better to remove all versions of a document from Versions itself. Just press "Alt" when clicking in the menu in the first document in the stack. It shows "Delete all versions" or what it is in English.

Lion works great if you like beachballs and waiting 30+ seconds for something to happen

Charles Benson wrote:

Lion works great if you like beachballs and waiting 30+ seconds for something to happen

Precisely, Charles. After approximately one month of trying to work with Lion, initially hating the interface tweaks such as reverse scrolling etc etc and then the scary new "features" such as autosave and Versions, and ugly changes to the GUI such as the new Address Book, as the weeks passed I began to notice far more worrying behaviour that seems deeply embedded in Lion: general sluggishness about starting and quitting applications, plus freezes and beachballing more than I had ever experienced before.

Then yesterday I encounted a major problem with a particular application that simply froze on me any time I tried to use it, requiring a force/quit evey time.

So I decided to do what I see other people doing, but which I never thought I would do myself: I went back to Snow Leopard. I have never before gone backwards with any MacOS since I started on System 7.

It's going to take a lot to persuade me to move to Lion again. I may move to another OS instead.

It's going to take a lot to persuade me to move to Lion again. I may move to another OS instead.

Or you could do like I have done. Keep Lion on a 'bare minimum' external (I gave it just 20GB) and keep updating it from time to time. Join the beta testing program if you can be bothered (it's not much work, really), so that you can see how it develops over time.

My plan is that by the time SL is too long in the tooth for me to use (which I don't expect to be for at least a couple of years...I was on Tiger till 2009!), Lion will have either a. become usable and more configurable or b. been replaced by something decent.

Like you, my last resort is to switch OS, but it is a last resort because frankly until another player comes along who can produce a decent unix-based OS on a quality bit of hardware, there simply isn't any other choice. Personally, I think there is a market for an apple-contender - i think apple have created that space - but the market is small, precisely the reason why apple seem happy to give it up.

softwater wrote:

[...] you could do like I have done. Keep Lion on a 'bare minimum' external (I gave it just 20GB) and keep updating it from time to time. Join the beta testing program if you can be bothered (it's not much work, really), so that you can see how it develops over time.

My plan is that by the time SL is too long in the tooth for me to use (which I don't expect to be for at least a couple of years...I was on Tiger till 2009!), Lion will have either a. become usable and more configurable or b. been replaced by something decent.

Like you, my last resort is to switch OS, but it is a last resort because frankly until another player comes along who can produce a decent unix-based OS on a quality bit of hardware, there simply isn't any other choice. Personally, I think there is a market for an apple-contender - i think apple have created that space - but the market is small, precisely the reason why apple seem happy to give it up.

Yes, that's exactly what I have done - I still have Lion on another computer and will check back occasionally, install any updates, and watch for a while to see if it gets better or worse.

In parallel I'll be looking at Windows 7 to see if it's any dumber than Lion.

I completely agree with everything you say.

Oh BTW - wouldn't it be great if these forums would send you back to where you came from when you finish sending your post?

Tom in London wrote:

In parallel I'll be looking at Windows 7 to see if it's any dumber than Lion.

Oh BTW - wouldn't it be great if these forums would send you back to where you came from when you finish sending your post?

Not saying it is you, but I'd really like to see how people complaining about Spaces moving into MC can use an OS that has one space only.

About this forum... I *hate* it! It seems like going back to Snow Leopard!! Haha! 😝

LinuxMint has multiple desktops and fast user switching as I understand it (though I have to admit I gave up trying to get it running myself...tried the linux forums, but whatever language they speak it ain't one I understand!).

softwater wrote:

LinuxMint has multiple desktops and fast user switching as I understand it (though I have to admit I gave up trying to get it running myself...tried the linux forums, but whatever language they speak it ain't one I understand!).

That indeed. Spaces and MC are part of OS X's GUI. There also are API for them. In Linux or Windows they are just applications on top of the GUI. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple is enforcing many patents on them.

Recommend OS X Lion? Well, recommend what softwater and Tom in London have done. I've done that too, put it where it can't mess up a perfectly good working system, i.e. put it on its own bootable external FireWire drive. That leaves Snow Leopard as the default startup on the internal and Lion can be fiddled with and updated from time to time. It will I suppose get better just before it's out of date again and the next thing comes along.

Anyway, thanks to this forum for steering me in the right direction.

I deleted the messed up email account in mail preferences. I also cleaned out the gmail account in issue. At the same time I update my iPhone to iOS 5.

Very happy now as Im running 10.7.2 which I installed then as well. All seems good. Also bumped up the ram to 8gb's. All seems good. I like Lion when its not being buggy. I will say Snow Leapord is very good but Im learning Lion and look forward to seeing it becoming more stable as updates come

also RIP Steve... 😟

xdonniedarkox wrote:

At the same time I update my iPhone to iOS 5.

Very happy now as Im running 10.7.2 which I installed then as well.

Aren't you a couple of days too early? 🙂

I am pretty sure we can't discuss about the new OS releases before they go public. But yes, 10.7.2 is supposed to fix many bugs. I am curious to see the reaction Oct 12!!

Oh please. Don't listen to Tom and his mates about how bad Lion is. It is a brilliant upgrade and I know noone having issues. Just the 1% of Apple users coming to a troubleshooting site. It is a trouble free upgrade unless you have not maintained a healthy system to upgrade to.

keats2010 wrote:

I know noone having issues

Who's Noone? You know him and he's having issues ? I'm not surprised.

Or maybe you meant "no-one".

These forums and many others on other sites are full of negative comments about Lion.

And don't talk to me about healthy systems. I've been using the Mac OS ever since System 7 and I know how to keep a computer healthy. Probably since before you were even born, by the sound of you. Don't presume that I know nothing about computers and am stupid that that's why I don't like Lion. That would hardly be a satisfactory explanation.

It is a trouble free upgrade unless you have not maintained a healthy system to upgrade to.

I suspect you are just trolling, but let's just put this one to bed, shall we.

I have three OS systems running off the same machine, a MacBookPro, mid-2009 with 4GB memory.

i. Snow Leopard 10.6.8

- No issues

ii. Lion upgrade of S.L.

- some hanging/unexpected quitting issues in Finder, longer boot up time than SL, but no keyboard input issues (see below)

iii. Clean install of Lion on zero-ed and re-formatted disk with no 3rd party apps and bare minimal OS-installed only apps (i.e., as clean and healthy as it gets)

- keyboard input issues, but no hanging issues in Finder

Now, what this should tell anyone except a troll - given all three systems run off exactly the same hardware - is that your experience with Lion may not be the same as others. What it should tell you, is that Lion is not a trouble free upgrade for all users (we know you plucked 1% out of thin air...nobody has the figures, not even Apple).

Just because YOU have no issues, doesn't mean no one else does.

EDIT: oh yeah, I forgot to mention that both systems have trouble with Spotlight indexing and Time machine, but I forgot about these as i turned them off al ong time ago. Hence, I can't actually search on either of my two Lion installs. Still, if you don't ever need to look for anything, who cares, right keats?