Does anyone recommend OS X Lion?

Sure you can. Easily. Just reinstall from your backup. That's what I did.

When I say it was not allowed means that there was a popup advise telling me that I cannot install these drivers (I don't know why, anyway I checked they where the proper drivers).

The discussion about the 3rd-party extensions have really no sense at all.

I told you that _I_ didn't install any additional 3rd party software. The creshes starts BEFORE my attempt to install the Nvidia drivers, and by the way (as you say) the 3rd party Nvidia drivers are already install by the OS.

If the the OS contains the 3rd party drivers they are supposed to work within my machine. If the same drivers are properly working with SL and they don't with Lion it seems to be a Lion OS problem, not a problem of the drivers don't you think?

I don't really care if the problem exists on less than 1 percent of all the machines out there, Apple is supposed to make the OS usable on each machine not subjected to hardware problems (as mine indeed).

I passed from Linux OS to Apple OS paying money because there is someone that is solving those problems.

I don't want to waste my time fixing problems that Apple is supposed to solve for me. I didn't payed about $2200 to get the same troubles I have to solve on a $700 standard notebook with Ubuntu installed!

@ Schrodinger56 I am a user with a iMac early 2009, 3.06 mhz and I don't have any problems at all. I prepared well, deleting all PPC programs in advance and searching for evry Lion-update I could find after the Lion-upgrade. Everything works fine.

PeterVL57 wrote:

@ Schrodinger56 I am a user with a iMac early 2009, 3.06 mhz and I don't have any problems at all. I prepared well, deleting all PPC programs in advance and searching for evry Lion-update I could find after the Lion-upgrade. Everything works fine.

Can I just ask what are PPC programs and have Apple brought out Lion updates already?

Hi All,

I like it, and we have it on dozens of machines. We got rid of all of our PPC apps, as I did, a long time ago. The old apps were replaced over a year, or so.

We use Office 2011, and a few are still on 2008 - both work very well. We've had no issues at all, so far. I see some may be having network issues, especially WiFi, but I have not experienced it with any of the dozen WiFi, and CAT5, 5e, 6, networks that I'm likely to log on to.

Like me, everyone is happy, and not having any trouble.

Cheers,

M.

PPC apps are older programs which would work on PPC CPUs: G5s, G4s, G3s, etc. Those programs wouldn't work properly on machines with Intel CPUs (Core 2 Duos, i5s, i7s, i3s, etc.) without a special process named Rosetta. Rosetta is dead on Lion, so PPC apps are dead, too. The lack of Rosetta is a major reason why I have not updated my machine to Lion. Rosetta is not coming back. Ever. If you have PPC apps you need, you must either replace them with Intel apps or stay with SL. You can see if you have PPC apps by going to System Information and clicking on 'Applications'. The list will show what kind of apps you have. Anything which has 'Classic' or 'PPC' next to it will not run in Lion. (Classic apps won't run in SL, either; they're OS 9 or earlier apps and require Classic to run, and Classic is gone as of Leopard. A check of my system showed a few Classic apps still there, which shows how long it's been since I used them, They're gone now.

Once all my PPC apps have been replaced by Intel apps I might install Lion. Or not. Depends on whether or not some of my other dislikes have been fixed by that time.

So if you haven't got any PPS apps on your iMac then there is a good chance that you won't encounter any of the problems many others have had?

Apple is trying to cram its programs down our throats by ignoring older software that quite a few people not only still use but depend on. I know this seems blasphemous to some to actually criticize Apple, but it's true. I have used Macs since 1987 but it is only in the last few years do we see this sort of attitude.

If it is important to you to keep using old, outdated software, then don't upgrade to Lion, which doesn't support it. But spare us the editorial comments. Apple cramming programs down our throats? Pulleeeeze! Nobody's forcing you to do anything.

However, anyone who thinks they can just keep using the same old software year after year without upgrading is in for a rude awakening. You've been a Mac user plenty long enough to know that software compatibility is always a potential issue with any new Mac OS release. Actually, Apple has bent over backwards through the years (e.g. Classic mode, Rosetta) to accommodate Mac users with older software.

As I've said elsewhere in these discussions, I am most definitely not an Apple apologist. I'm plenty mad at them for nuking MobileMe. But your criticism is out of touch with reality. Get a grip.

A lot of problems are due to PPC apps, or the lack thereof. However, things like slow startups, sound problems, and video problems are not. There'd still be problems even if Rosetta (and Classic!) were still supported.

When you get to the point that you're having to reinstall programs, why not just reinitialize your startup drive and start fresh? My guess is that most people who are having major problems tried to do a simple upgrade. In many cases, they were probably installing over a system full of doo-dads and add-ons. Sometimes this works, and sometimes it doesn't. But the most straightforward solution is to erase everything and start over.

Of course, this only works if you have a known good backup of at least your user directories. Anyone who does not perform a full backup of their system before upgrading to a new version of OS X is definitely asking for trouble. Hopefully, you're not in that boat. Good luck!

@ Schrodinger56 : I deleted MS office 2004, Mactheripper and Quicken from my iMac before upgrading to Lion.

Where were you installing the drivers? Did you have write privileges there? (Hint: if you were installing them into certain parts of /Library, and into any part of /System, and you weren't using an admin account, no you didn't have write privs.) What _was_ the error message? In many cases knowing what the error was can help to fix it...

And as the system has many, many, MANY 3rd-party items installed as part of the basic install, you really can't say that there are no 3rd-party extensions. There are. Lots of them. Have a look in /Library.

And you had _better_ care if the problem exists in less than 1 percent of the systems. The more systems that are affected, the faster Apple will move to fix the problem... if they move at all. If the number of systems affected is very small, they may not bother.

And you had better invest the time, 'cause, frankly, no-one here is getting paid to help you, and if you don't want to take the time to do proper troubleshooting you'll find fewer and fewer people who'll take the time to assist you. If you want to scream at someone, go and scream at Apple Customer Support. They get paid to put up with that. I don't.

Wake me up when you're ready to actually try to fix the problem. Bye, now.

...should I risk upgrading to Lion bearing in mind that my technical knowledge of computers is very limited. I do have Applecare on both machines so presumably if Lion messes up both my machines I can call Applecare up and they can talk me through reverting back to SN and also presumably get a refund for Lion?

In my opinion, Mac users with "very limited" technical knowledge have absolutely no business installing a brand new version of OS X when it first comes out. That's really asking for trouble. You don't even know what cloning your system means. If you must proceed, please call AppleCare before upgrading, not afterwards when it may be too late to undo something you should never have done in the first place.

I gave in to temptation this weekend and installed Lion. My initial impressions: what was all the fuss about?

Its supposed to be faster and use less memory: perhaps, but my Macbook Air is fast anyway and I haven’t notices any appreciable difference in speed with Lion.

MacTheRipper and SolitaireTillDawn no longer work, but thats a minor inconvenience as I can still rip DVDs and play solitaire on my desktop G4, and I shouldn’t be wasting time playing solitaire anyway.

I’m used to the new mail presentation because its similar to my old email application, Mozilla Thunderbird, which I used for years and, of course, its like the iPad. I still prefer the previous Snow Leopard presentation, however, but I’m sure I’ll soon get used Lion’s mail presentation.

I don’t especially like the greyed-out buttons and icons on Finder, and I dislike the the lack of continuously visible scroll-bars, but again I’m sure I’ll get used to it .

I’ll NEVER use the Launchpad app and I find it very annoying that Apple won’t let me delete it. If feel the same about the Games app, amongst others, on the iPad. I’m also not the only user to find this annoying if you read the support forums.

Perhaps release 10.7.1 and iOS 5 will be an improvement but, the way Apple seems to be going now is to appeal to the lowest common denominator, i.e. the inexperienced user. This is possibly a mistake given Apple’s current user base.

As I said at the beginning: what was all the fuss about? I should have stayed with Snow Leopard. Sourpuss? Maybe.

alansky1 wrote:

...should I risk upgrading to Lion bearing in mind that my technical knowledge of computers is very limited. I do have Applecare on both machines so presumably if Lion messes up both my machines I can call Applecare up and they can talk me through reverting back to SN and also presumably get a refund for Lion?

In my opinion, Mac users with "very limited" technical knowledge have absolutely no business installing a brand new version of OS X when it first comes out. That's really asking for trouble. You don't even know what cloning your system means. If you must proceed, please call AppleCare before upgrading, not afterwards when it may be too late to undo something you should never have done in the first place.

So what would you suggest people do who haven't got the brain the size of a planet which you clearly have and who also don't have access to the technical support of Applecare. Sit in the dark sucking their thumb until people like you allow them to download upgrades. 😁

And there was me thinking the name of these forums were "Apple SUPPORT Communities", how silly of me. 😁