Does anyone recommend OS X Lion?

The only way to learn is by doing. Make sure everything is backed up and you take notes while your making changes. If you make a mistake then you will be able to go back and correct your mistakes. Take your time and don't be in a rush. Good Luck!

So what would you suggest people do who haven't got the brain the size of a planet which you clearly have and who also don't have access to the technical support of Applecare. Sit in the dark sucking their thumb until people like you allow them to download upgrades. 😁

And there was me thinking the name of these forums were "Apple SUPPORT Communities", how silly of me. 😁

Let's get real here. Novice users who blithely jump into the unknown without any preparation, without doing any reading on the internet, are asking for trouble, pure and simple. But do they blame their own lack of good sense? No. They blame Apple in loud, self-righteous voices. Don't be surprised if this kind of behavior stimulates some visceral responses. 😁

So what should novices do? Read one or two of the hundreds of helpful articles on preparing for Lion that are literally all over the internet. Make an appointment at the Genius Bar at a local Apple Store. Anyone capable of transporting themselves to the store can get free technical advice there.

In closing, let me add that your sarcastic remarks are not at all appreciated. Keep 'em to yourself.

Ok, sorry for answering as I did, you're right I should scream at Apple Customer Support not in here.

Unfortunately I really don't have the time to face the problem right now.

When I'll do it I'll let you know. If you would like to help me anymore I'll really appreciate it.

Keep in touch

Sorry again

I do. I installed in a MacBook Mid-2007 and a Macmini Late 2009 and so far is working great.

alansky1 wrote:

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In closing, let me add that your sarcastic remarks are not at all appreciated. Keep 'em to yourself.

Likewise let me add that your condescending remarks are not appreciated. Keep 'em to yourself. 😉

Recon007@mac.com wrote:

The only way to learn is by doing. Make sure everything is backed up and you take notes while your making changes. If you make a mistake then you will be able to go back and correct your mistakes. Take your time and don't be in a rush. Good Luck!

Thank you very much for your constructive and helpful comments which has been taken on board.

whew - gettig heated in here. 😉

You know Steve Jobs should have rolled out Rosetta in a coffin like he did OS9 ten years ago. lol.

Maybe thenit would have sunk in.

Well, I just put Lion on Kittendaddy's white MacBook 2.2 GHz Intel Core Duo Processor with 2.5 GB of RAM.

The download went flawlessly, but the install gave me a problem by saying that the disk couldn't be used for Lion because it's a Time Machine back-up disk (OMG no, it's totallly not, but I'd once used it to back up another computer before reinstalling Leopard on it, so... yeah.). I found the backup files and deleted them (thanks to reading about this issue right here on this forum! 😁), and the Lion installer was good to go.

HIs computer is now so much snappier than before. Safari loads like lightening (and I'm not even at his machine; I'm controlling/watching it via Screen Sharing!). I looked for PPC apps before installing and didn't find any. Oh, and I also did a Time Machine back-up just in case. But so far, everything looks good!

Clearly, the problems that people are having with Lion are not caused by their machines being older or not having enough memory... or at least not entirely.

YMMV, of course. 😎

More grist for the mill.

I am an experienced Mac user. I tried Lion and had many problems with it. But my experience was a help. I had a bootable clone and simply reverted to SL with no harm done.

Many Mac users are not very experienced with the platform. Ease of use is Apple's marketed attraction. Apple has marketed this "upgrade' as a no brainer. It is cheap. And it is so easy it can be installed just by clicking a couple buttons on the App Store. Apple marketing made this look like a no-risk proposition. Many people who have come to trust the brand got hoodwinked into thinking this upgrade could be made without issues. For some, this was clearly not the case. Apple has hurt themselves with this one.

Terry, you didn't describe the problems you had.

Installing Lion couldn't be simpler. It took me less than an hour to d/l and install. I did nothing special, except make a CCC back up of SL. When I rebooted into Lion I had a few Apps in the dock with a line through them, so I tossed them, including MS Office 2004. Instead of replacing it with MS O 2011, I bought Pages and Numbers. Everything else just works. My ancient (2001) Canon scanner works just fine using VuScan, my 2005 HP PhotoSmart 8150 printer hasn't missed a beat. My Harmon Cardin (2001) SoundSticks w/SubWoofer are belting out a Bob Dylan song right now. My point is I have legacy equipment working just fine with Lion. All my Apps, except PPC stuff runs just fine.

I'm sorry you've had problems, but I'll bet if you describe them, someone here can help you fix them.

Let's see. Preview wouldn't launch, Many boot issues with perhaps a 50% chance on startup that the system would hang at a white screen, numerous spinning beachballs, Aperture, current version, showing many odd display artifacts in the images and rendering changes very slowly. Frequent system freezes and crashes.

Took me 20 minutes to restore my clone and am back on SL with no problems.

Subsequent to the experience, I re-downloaded Lion, wrote the installer to DVD and loaded the OS clean to a partition. Most of my issues were resolved. However, and importantly, Aperture was still hosed. Furthermore the new "features" feel like a downgrade to me.

A clean install does seem to solve many of the issues. And I happen to know how to do it. But most of Apple's recent customers are following the only upgrade path that was advertised by Apple - install in place from the App Store. If a clean install was necessary, shouldn't Apple have provided a clean and easy way to achieve this and the instructions in a step by step form?

Apple packaged and sold this thing as little more than a simple App upgrade release. While many users seem to be having little problem, there are still plenty new Apple customers who have been led into a nightmare by Apple's arrogance.

I could ot agree with Terry more!!!!!! Although several of my problems have been over come through crap 3rd party software and hours ofnreading apple has REALLY let me down on this! Ok so the os is alright?? I guess... But that's not the point.

I'm angry because I love how with macs you open the box type in your name and away you go! And then they say downloading and installing is too hard for a human to do and make the app store, then finally the most easy to use os on the easy to use app store! Except it's anything but easy either a 145 mile round trip to see an apple store or patching up problems with forums.

This really is vista! I'm starting to see fewer benefits to paying extortionate apple prices if it's just as much hastle as windows!? If things continue this way I will consider where my cash is spent next time I need a computer.

You have the patience of Job😀 The word Troll comes to mind!

MacTheRipper and SolitaireTillDawn no longer work, but thats a minor inconvenience as I can still rip DVDs and play solitaire on my desktop G4, and I shouldn’t be wasting time playing solitaire anyway.

You can find a new version of MTR by using Google.

I’m used to the new mail presentation because its similar to my old email application, Mozilla Thunderbird, which I used for years and, of course, its like the iPad. I still prefer the previous Snow Leopard presentation, however, but I’m sure I’ll soon get used Lion’s mail presentation.

Enable the "classic view" in Mail. Pull down Mail > Prefs > Viewing and select the "use classic layout" option.

I don’t especially like the greyed-out buttons and icons on Finder, and I dislike the the lack of continuously visible scroll-bars, but again I’m sure I’ll get used to it .

Enable the scroll bars to be visible all the time. Open SysPrefs > General and select "show scroll bars: always."

I’ll NEVER use the Launchpad app and I find it very annoying that Apple won’t let me delete it.

Drag it out of the dock and forget it. I don't use it either so I removed it from my Dock.

Just don't buy your RAM from Apple where is it far from dirt cheap....