Does anyone recommend OS X Lion?

try it out by all means !....

just make sure you have your old faithfull Time Machine fully up to date !

i did buy & installed Lion on my late 2009 27'' iMac i7 w/ 16GB ram,etc..( not EXACTLY a weakling even if not the latest, greatest powerhouse.. ) & graphically the whiole thing was such a disaster i couldn't wait to get the **** out of there !

basically it turned my formerly GORGEOUS iMac desktop & apps into this cheap'n nasty looking bargain bin computer - the kind you've been trying to steer well clear off, all your life

if that happens to you, just insert your S.Leopard install disc, restart your computer pressing ''C'' & restore your system from your Disk Utility after selecting Time Machine - that's what i did & baby , no more awfullness here, no lost data, nothing ! just smooth sailling all the way :-)

now when they get Lion working as well as Time Machine, ah....THAT'S another matter

just to give you an idea how things looked on my iMac after i installed Lion, get any photo from iPhoto, select ''edit'' & basically bump all the ''adjust'' sliders to the max : searing, retina burning whites, over saturated unnatural colors, washed out black fonts to the point i couldn't almost read them - just plain weird & too much trouble to try fixing for something coming out of the box.....

actually, do you buy a new car to then go & HAVE TO fix the brakes or the engIne ? you don't right ? my point exactly....

Many thanks Michael, I'll try those ideas of yours

alansky1 wrote:

...should I risk upgrading to Lion bearing in mind that my technical knowledge of computers is very limited. I do have Applecare on both machines so presumably if Lion messes up both my machines I can call Applecare up and they can talk me through reverting back to SN and also presumably get a refund for Lion?

In my opinion, Mac users with "very limited" technical knowledge have absolutely no business installing a brand new version of OS X when it first comes out. That's really asking for trouble. You don't even know what cloning your system means. If you must proceed, please call AppleCare before upgrading, not afterwards when it may be too late to undo something you should never have done in the first place.

I wouldn't go as far as saying that absolute newbies shouldn't do updates. I would say that it might be a good idea if they would try to learn something first. Calling AppleCare might be overkill. Doing a bit of Googling, or asking around here (or on Microsoft's forums if they have Office, or over at HP or Epson or Canon or whatever printer they have, or at MacRumors, or at MacNN, and so on), _prior_ to doing the install, would eliminate a lot of trouble. You can learn a lot if you just lurk in some of these forums, you really can. By all means ask questions, we were all newbies once. Screaming and ranting and making an *** of yourself tends to get you ignored... and it should be remembered that those of us who've been around a while are the ones who _don't_ have the problems, so if someone irritates us, well, they don't get answers, do they? And they still have the problem, and can rant away to their heart's content while everyone else ignores them.

I personally wished I would have waited. I am a consumer - 100% a user and not an IT person. I use my computer for work and it has really screwed with my productivity time and I my email isn't working at all.

I've posted for help and all I seem to find on this forum is a bunch of IT people wanting to tell rest of us how stupid we are. So, if you're an IT person and you can navigate through the bugs, yes download it. However if you are like me - someone with blind faith believing that when they buy something it works... I would wait. Cause if you need help with fixes you are going to be hard pressed to find them in this forum.

Hope that helped. ;-)

Jerk.

amy154 wrote:

I personally wished I would have waited. I am a consumer - 100% a user and not an IT person. I use my computer for work and it has really screwed with my productivity time and I my email isn't working at all.

I've posted for help and all I seem to find on this forum is a bunch of IT people wanting to tell rest of us how stupid we are. So, if you're an IT person and you can navigate through the bugs, yes download it. However if you are like me - someone with blind faith believing that when they buy something it works... I would wait. Cause if you need help with fixes you are going to be hard pressed to find them in this forum.

Hope that helped. ;-)

I'm not an IT person and I had a couple of small problems downloading/installing Lion. But I called AppleCare and got help, and I also looked on these forums and found the answers I needed to fix the rest of my problems.

I bet if you hunt around a little on the Lion forum, you'll find posts about problems like yours and perhaps even answers/fix-its for them. And if you don't, you can always create a new discussion and see if anyone has any helpful ideas or suggestions.

I really, truly understand the impulse to rant and rave when the panic sets in because OMG MY COMPUTER IS RUINED FOREVER OMG OMG STUPID LION I HATE YOU!!!! but really, as long as you backed up everything before you started, chances are that even if Lion really won't work for you, it'll be easy to go back to Snow Leopard.

Good luck! 😎

alansky1 wrote:

Jerk.

Hey, c'mon, that's not nice. 😮

markhud wrote:

Just don't buy your RAM from Apple where is it far from dirt cheap....

I've recommended using Crucial for well over a decade. <http://www.crucial.com/>. They are not the cheapest RAM vendors, though they are markedly cheaper than Apple. However, they have a lifetime warranty and they really mean it. If a RAM stick dies even years later you can get it replaced or your money back. If you order the wrong RAM, through your own fault, you can get it exchanged for the correct RAM and all you pay is shipping to send the wrong RAM back to them. (Try that at, say, Best Buy. Go ahead. Try it. Be prepared for an argument unless you paid to have them install it.) Other World Computing <http://www.macsales.com/> doesn't have quite as good a return policy as Crucial does, but they will exceed Apple guidelines, which Crucial won't. OWC will sell me a 4 GB stick for this iMac, for instance, which will push it to 6 GB RAM. Crucial won't, because Apple supports a max of 4 GB, in two 2 GB sticks, in this machine, so despite the fact that a 2 and a 4 GB stick will work (most of the time) with this iMac, Crucial won't supply the 4 GB stick. You want to stay strictly within Apple limits while not paying Apple prices, use Crucial. You want to exceed Apple limits, go with OWC.

Charles Dyer wrote:

I've recommended using Crucial for well over a decade. <http://www.crucial.com/>.

Yes. That's where I got the 2 GB RAM stick for Kittendaddy's MacBook so it would have enough RAM to run Lion.

Now I have a patch from my ISP which updated my "dongle", I am enjoying Lion. I am finding it very fast and love the "gestures" although I am still learning. The swipe to go back gesture is great when you have a list of links in Google or a list of chat threads you want to view, as here. EBay is a bit glitchy but that is not news. PayPal and Royal Mail both work well in Lion as does the BBC.

I only a Mac user since 2009 so I don't consider myself a an expert nor a newbie.

I got Lion because I was curious for the new iO/S look and feel it was going to bring to my Mac and although my first Apple purchase was this iMac I'm mostly an iO/S user (iPhone &iPad).

I did indeed make a back up before purchasing and instealling Lion but I did not have to use it.

I have not encountered one single issue since I'm working on Lion. At first I noticed my machine was getting incredibly slow but I noticed Spotlight indexing and figured this was the cause. So when that was done my iMac was as fast as on SL with the new funcionalities added on. Personally I like them a lot because as I said, an iO/S user will find this new O/S very natural. Scrolling on the iMac has become indeed natural . . pushing up and the page goes . . up.

Just a small Java issue when going on some webbanking sites but a 2 minute call into Apple support got me going. I'm actually surprised that this issue is not on this community site as the Apple guy who helped me out guessed this was an issue he expected he was going to hear often. FYI when asking for software updates my iMac told I was full up to date but when opening the Java module in the Utilities folder I was immediately presented with an update. Upon accepting, installing and rebooting I was able to get into webbanking account again. I checked here to see if other users encountered this.

Anyway, in short, Lion turned out exactly as Apple "marketed". Easy to purchase on the Mac store and as easy to install. No hickups (I'm not counting the Java issue because a bit more thinking would have gotten me there as well . . . but it's so easy to call the 1-800 number)

Just to let the people on this forum know that for a lot of us it is working out very well but you wouldn't see this here because you normally end up here when things don't work out as expected.

I'm sure there are some bugs out there and that Apple will shortly release point 1 and 2 with fixes. As for those complaining that their PPC applications are no longer working . . . heck, even I knew this by reading some reviews on the web.

Kittenmommy wrote:

alansky1 wrote:

Jerk.

Hey, c'mon, that's not nice. 😮

Water off a ducks back. 😀

Thankfully it isn't representative of the helpful comments you find on these SUPPORT forums and I'm sure people who are having difficulties with this upgrade, which strictly speaking shouldn't really happen to the degree it is, are very grateful for the non-condesending and informative assistance that the majority of experienced Mac users are providing, I know I am.

Afterall we can't all have the brain of Einstein can we. 😀

I shall take the plunge tomorrow after following the friendly advice given above.

You might like to read this article before taking the plunge, it is easily available by Googling...

http://www.macworld.com/article/161064/2011/07/installing_lion_complete_guide.ht ml

Hey, c'mon, that's not nice. 😮

You're right. I just couldn't resist. 😎

Other World Computing <http://www.macsales.com/> doesn't have quite as good a return policy as Crucial does, but they will exceed Apple guidelines, which Crucial won't.

I've been buying RAM from OWC for decades. All of their RAM upgrades carry a lifetime warranty. The RAM in one of my older Macs went bad a few months ago and OWC sent out replacements the same day. I've never had to argue with them about any technical issue. Totally great company to do business with.