Does anyone recommend OS X Lion?

Timothy Rock wrote:

Some users didin't plan ahead and are now unhappy.

But why should you have to plan ahead, I don't recall having to "plan ahead" for the various Windows upgrades that have transpired over the years? They may have had a few bugs but nothing on this scale if I recall. Listening to the Apple Keynote address that launched Lion the impression was that you simply just went to the Apps store downloaded it and off you went, a great new OS full of great enhancements (judging from the reaction of the invited audience!!) so what could be simpler you didn't even need a disc to fiddle about with! However the reality is (unless you're one of the lucky ones) you have to have detailed knowledge of the intricacies of the way an Apple computer works in order to rectify problems that just shouldn't be happening on the scale they are. It doesn't matter that it's a new OS Apple should have done more to ensure a far less fraught and bug ridden introduction to its new OS especially given all the hype at its launch.

Your stance would have some credibility if Apple had published the fact that OSX Lion would only work with current products. Any software company ignores their legacy users at their peril, and at present they are totally silent on this issue.

I am in total agreement. This whole Lion thing has been very disappointing.

Schrodinger56 wrote:

Timothy Rock wrote:

Some users didin't plan ahead and are now unhappy.

But why should you have to plan ahead, I don't recall having to "plan ahead" for the various Windows upgrades that have transpired over the years? They may have had a few bugs but nothing on this scale if I recall. Listening to the Apple Keynote address that launched Lion the impression was that you simply just went to the Apps store downloaded it and off you went, a great new OS full of great enhancements (judging from the reaction of the invited audience!!) so what could be simpler you didn't even need a disc to fiddle about with! However the reality is (unless you're one of the lucky ones) you have to have detailed knowledge of the intricacies of the way an Apple computer works in order to rectify problems that just shouldn't be happening on the scale they are. It doesn't matter that it's a new OS Apple should have done more to ensure a far less fraught and bug ridden introduction to its new OS especially given all the hype at its launch.

You're joking, right?

Let's see... WinXP-to-Vista... what does Microsoft say? <http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/help/upgrading-from-windows-xp-to-wi ndows-7> Note that they even have a special app they recommend you use _before_ you upgrade so that you can find out what you need to change. I recall having to change multiple items of hardware and software to get to the minimum acceptable level.

Similar pages exist for XP-to-7 and Vista-to-7, and there's an app for checking your system for compatibilty with 7, too. You can't go directly from XP to 7, you must back up XP first, as the 7 installer will reformat your hard drive and anything not backed up with be history. In theory you can go from Vista to 7 without doing a reformat; in practice, that is not a good idea, and can lead to problems. When I was updating my laptop from Vista to 7, the only option available to me was the reformat and install clean option due to something that Toshiba had done which Microsoft didn't like. As I had a backup, I went ahead and did that, and then restored from the backup. If I hadn't planned ahead I'd have been in trouble...

But, hey, yes, you can just upgrade away on Windows without planning... so long as you don't mind getting bitten. Just as those who upgrade away on OS X without planning ahead are all to likely to get bitten. If you fail to plan you plan to fail.

Schrodinger56 wrote:

Timothy Rock wrote:

Some users didin't plan ahead and are now unhappy.

But why should you have to plan ahead, I don't recall having to "plan ahead" for the various Windows upgrades that have transpired over the years?

You have got to be kidding.

This upgrade is as big as moving from XP to Vista, Vista to 7, and most Windows users I know not only had to plan in advance, do full backups, etc. but it also took them weeks, if not months, to get everything working again.

That having been said, in my environment I did just click, download and install Lion on several of my machines with no ill effects - but I had bootable backups standing by and ready just in case I did have issues - it's only common sense.

andrewfrombedford wrote:

Your stance would have some credibility if Apple had published the fact that OSX Lion would only work with current products. Any software company ignores their legacy users at their peril, and at present they are totally silent on this issue.

A program that hasn't been sold for over two years is in most cases just that - unsupported.

Most software companies operate that way.

Further it's not Apple's job to tell you what won't work in Lion, it's your job to verify that the programs you need will work with Lion before upgrading.

OK, so for my $29.95 App I need to make sure I have a bigass external drive $100, upgrades to MS programs $150, updates or replacements of Rosetta program $100, spend hours online researching $200 and then go for it and hope it all works out. $550 worh of effort and investment for a $29.95 App that most people agree is not needed but nice. Hmmmmm. Charge more, let it do what Snow Leopard does amd MORE, not less, and maybe this whole discussion would not be taking place.

It appears to me that this thread has been solved a long time ago, hence the green check mark. So if you all have a new quest or need support, you should create your own thread with your own closed ended question, and some one will be able to help you out quicker. Do you know how hard it is to read every thread under one topic thread? I am sorry but retire from writing in thi thread, and createyour self a new topic thread.

And what was the solution?

Works flwlessly on my two machines. Install was flawless and it does everything that I'm told it would. There must be something going on with your machine that is interfering with the new OS otherwise we would all get the same results as you and clearly we don't.

OS X does have some features that I really like. The MS office deal was not handled right, but glad I kept it now.

@Schrodinger56 You obviously know little to nothing about upgrading a windows-OS, or you've got a terrible bad memory. From windows 3.1 to windows 95 to windows millenium to windows XP is was a big disaster every time. They could not get Windows Millenium to be a stable version, so they even had to rush into XP. Like William Kurcharski said, it really took month to get evrything working. XP turned out to be a solid OS, but only after the second service pack. It took Microsoft more than a year to reach that point. With Vista they never reached that point as far as I'm concerned. After 9 month my PC still frooze on a regular basis. Every part of the hardware was vista-proof, but it simply didn't work. PLanning ahead was no use, you should prepare yourself for big trouble anyway.

Now there are people with issius in Lion, but there also a lot of people with NO ISSUES what sowever. Fortunatly, I happen to be one of those people. And I can tell you, this never happened to me before (I even encountered some problems with the introduction of Leopard and snow Leopard). Just installing an OS and being able to work again, within the hour with no problem at all, is a complete new experience to me in 25 years of Windows and Apple OS's.

I only had minor problems with two applications this time (not Apple application). Both vendors have supplied an update in the past week. So I have no issues at al. Now that's really something.

And partly that has to do with planning ahead indeed. See to that your Mac is completly okay, and update all your applications. See to it, that you remove applications when you know they won't work in Lion. Back up your system. And then you can install.

I surely hope that Apple comes soon with 10.7.1 so these bugs and video-issues some people are experiencing will be solved asap. These complaints are serious and Apple made mistakes here.

But making people believe that you can compare this OS with Vista or even worse is really a (bad) joke.

..and Windows NT stood for "Not Tested"😀

The reply accepted by the OP as the correct answer is shown in the first post of the thread.

Mine works flawlessly. How come?