Does anyone recommend OS X Lion?

I've seen many comments about people having different problems and trouble with the new OS X Lion, does anyone recommend me to download it? My current OS is Mac OS X 10.6.7.

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.7)

Posted on Jul 20, 2011 2:48 PM

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Jul 25, 2011 11:53 PM in response to jarturoe

I don't see anything to get excited about with Lion, and no reason to update right now. Eventually you'll have to in order to stay compatible, but really, right now this appears little more than cosmetics on a bad make-up day to my mind.


I'm intrigued about the claims that people are making regarding everything working faster in Lion than in Snow Leopard. Really? I haven't noticed that with any Mac apps. I'd like to see some real bench figures to find out if that is true.


Interestingly, though, Win 7 running in the Parallels VM certainly does seem quicker, (which was almost unusably slow in Snow Leper).


Ironic that I could end up using Windows more than Lion thanks to this "update"...

Jul 25, 2011 11:59 PM in response to jackfrommontague

My point about iCloud is that we don't know if it will work with SL, it appears that many things about Lion are not backward compatible any more, after many transitions and upgrades that have been. Apple appear to be adopting the Windows method of selling more hardware.


It is obvious from these disscussions that my late 2007 macbook & mini wont run Lion without the RAM upgrade whereas up till know it has been no problem, on top of that it is clear that Airdrop is not going to work with my hardware and if you read the posts regarding Airdrop, a lot of people are finding that newer machines will not work with it either.

Jul 26, 2011 12:18 AM in response to markhud

I guess you missed my post on the last page, so here it is again:

I'll bite. It's a slow day here. I own a studio. We have always been early adopters, although not early enough to adopt to MacOSX when Vista was around, where during that adoption we almost lost our shorts. Since we have been an all mac studio I'd say that our productivity has increased by 20% while our capital expenses have gone down 20% because Apple iron lasts longer in our environment. We use Avid, Protools, Logic, CS MasterSuite, FCS, etc. all with good results. I have not released Lion into the work environment yet, that's my job as boss. It's only been a few days now, how could anyone see an improvement in just that time?

OS improvements for our business is measured in years and not days. The figures I gave you are for the past 3 (or has it been 4 since Vista release?). Initially, there was a huge expenditure in Apple hardware to replace all the PCs, and for the software as well. But hey, we have spent less in the past 2 years on hardware then we had anticipated back before we had Macs. Now is where it gets crazy...

My initial testing on Lion proves to me that our old hardware still has life in it. Talk'in Mbp3,1s and crotcheting old iMac8,1s and rusting macpros. Sure, we will update some machines for Thunderbolt, but as some people are beginning to realize thru real life testing, a lot of work in a studio can be done over USB. Anyway, not to sidetrack... This year we gain big with Lion running our machines cleaner, meaner, and extending the life of them.

So you wanted a real-life business story, there's one. For more information, see this old article written about us in CreativeCow International Magazine:

http://magazine.creativecow.net/article/the-journey-to-a-nepali-recording-studio

Cheers,

coocoo

Jul 26, 2011 12:21 AM in response to coocooforcocoapuffs

oh sorry cocooforcocoapuffs. I did get it and I thank you for it. I just truncated it due to length. I guess I should have included your complete reply. This is good info and I think the kind that is helpful, telling like it is.

coocooforcocoapuffs wrote:


I guess you missed my post on the last page, so here it is again:

I'll bite. It's a slow day here. I own a studio. We have always been early adopters, although not early enough to adopt to MacOSX when Vista was around, where during that adoption we almost lost our shorts. Since we have been an all mac studio I'd say that our productivity has increased by 20% while our capital expenses have gone down 20% because Apple iron lasts longer in our environment. We use Avid, Protools, Logic, CS MasterSuite, FCS, etc. all with good results. I have not released Lion into the work environment yet, that's my job as boss. It's only been a few days now, how could anyone see an improvement in just that time?

OS improvements for our business is measured in years and not days. The figures I gave you are for the past 3 (or has it been 4 since Vista release?). Initially, there was a huge expenditure in Apple hardware to replace all the PCs, and for the software as well. But hey, we have spent less in the past 2 years on hardware then we had anticipated back before we had Macs. Now is where it gets crazy...

My initial testing on Lion proves to me that our old hardware still has life in it. Talk'in Mbp3,1s and crotcheting old iMac8,1s and rusting macpros. Sure, we will update some machines for Thunderbolt, but as some people are beginning to realize thru real life testing, a lot of work in as tudio can be done over USB. Anyway, not to sidetrack... This year we gain big with Lion running our machines cleaner, and extending the life of them.

So you wanted a real-life business story, there's one. For more information, see this old article written about us in CreativeCow International Magazine:

http://magazine.creativecow.net/article/the-journey-to-a-nepali-recording-studio

Cheers,

coocoo

Jul 26, 2011 12:42 AM in response to jarturoe

I have to say that the balance between the increased responsiveness and speed is a fine one.


I have noticed that in general my system is quicker to do general things like open apps and at start up however,


  • The new gestures in Safari 5.1 are a pain. The browser definately has a bug in that department. Scrolling backwards and forwards amongst pages I find it hangs, links become unresponsive and often I have to restart the browser completely
  • iPhoto upgrade is rubbish. The send to email facility just crashes the application. I now have trouble opening it at all
  • WiFi connection has a bug where it does not find networks and wont log into the networks


These are all new problems which were not there before.


I dont find launchpad any use at all, but the magic trackpad gestures are quite handy. I would have loved to see the Vista feature where dragging a window to the corner makes it fill half the screen - that is the only useful feature on vista for me.


Taking all this into account (cant believe I am saying this) I would personally not have touched Lion until the bugs were removed. It is a backward step as far as I am concerned and I am quite surprised.


4 years now an Apple convert and this is the first "unperfect" product I have encountered.

Jul 26, 2011 1:12 AM in response to markhud

markhud wrote:


In the past with Apple you have not had to uprgade your hardware to upgrade to the next OS, that was one of the main selling points, with Lion Mr Jobs has adopted the Windows principle of new OS new hardware = $$$$


Nonsense - you've always had to upgrade your hardware if it didn't already meet the minimum specs for the new release.


If you had a Motorola 68000-based Mac, you couldn't upgrade past Mac OS 8.1 without a whole new machine.


If you had say a Dual 500 MHz G4, Mac OS X 10.4 was the end of the line for you.


If you had a PowerPC Mac, Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard was the end of the line for you.


However, if your machine already met the requirements (for example, I've a MacBook Pro with 4 GB of RAM), you have to upgrade precisely zero hardware to install Lion.

Jul 26, 2011 1:48 AM in response to andrewfrombedford

andrewfrombedford wrote:


Unfortunately Apple hasn't even checked compatibility with their own products, so Logic Pro 8 one of their flagship products will not install or run on Lion - what chance do third parties have then!


Logic Pro 8 is not a currently shipping application - "Logic Studio" featuring Logic Pro 9 is and has been for over two years.


This is like complaining that Lion breaks Final Cut Pro 6.

Jul 26, 2011 2:05 AM in response to markhud

markhud wrote:


In the past with Apple you have not had to uprgade your hardware to upgrade to the next OS, that was one of the main selling points, with Lion Mr Jobs has adopted the Windows principle of new OS new hardware = $$$$

I'm pretty sure that I have had to upgrade my hardware to meet the demands of new Mac operating systems AND third party software quite a few times over the last twenty seven years. I seem to recall the computing world outgrew the 128MB Mac quite rapidly...


Like it or not, this is progress. If all you do is use a word processor, then any lump of electronics you bought thirty years ago would still give you sterling service. If all you want to do is travel by yourself at ten miles an hour, then any bike you can find will be fine. With computers, the public continually want to do more and better. People that couldn't work a VCR years ago now want to edit their video. People who used to play Pong now want photorealistic video games.


So software and hardware have to grow. And we have to pay the price. There is no reason at all that you could not still be happily using a 1984 Mac running "Sytem 1" (I can give you a copy on a 3.5" floppy disc if you like). As long as you were happy with it's capabilities, there has never been a necessity to update it. Nobody is forcing anybody to update or upgrade or purchase anything.

Jul 26, 2011 2:41 AM in response to alansky1

alansky1 wrote:


I continue to be amazed at how Apple is apparently supposed to be responsible for whether third party publishers' applications work on Lion and if they don't, Lion wasn't "ready" for release.


Apple provides the operating system and the hardware. The third party publishers had over a year to get their products ready for Lion; if they didn't, blame them.


Lion has its quirks but for the most part it works beautifully; it's up to third parties to get their act together and update their applications accordingly, and by the same token for users to determine whether the software they want to use will work with Lion.


Totally agree. Some software developers always drag their heels. Adobe is one of the worst offenders. But it's all Apple's fault even though it's beyond Apple's control. Right...


I'm amazed to see how many people are flipping out because Apple didn't send them a personal letter telling them everything they need to know before installing OS X Lion. In the absence of said letter (perhaps a banner headline on the Apple home page would have satisfied some of them), these folks felt no responsibility whatsoever to educate themselves in any way. They just forged blindly ahead, then howled in protest when things didn't go as smoothly as they had naively assumed they would. And it's all Apple's fault, of course, for promising that Macs are so easy to use that it isn't necessary to engage your brain at all to get perfect results every time. It's a fairy tale, but there has been a flood of angry comments in this very thread from people who found out too late that the fairy tale isn't true. They're mad as h-ll, and not one of them is willing to accept an iota of responsibility for their own lack of preparation. Unbelievable.

Adobe has spent most of the last decade trying as hard as possible to avoid supporting Macs. They have been consistently late with products, they have consistently NOT provided similar feature sets on Mac and Windows, they have consistently been a generation behind the OS, they have consistently tried their best to irritate their customer base (well, they've done that on both Mac and Windows...), and they have consistently declined to fix certain bugs for years and across different versions. In short, they remind me of Quark in the 1990s, just before InDesign arrived and grabbed vast chunks of marketshare precisely because everyone was so utterly ****** with Quark. There was a known crashing bug in Quark 2.x which wasn't fixed until 4.x, and wasn't fixed _completely_ until 5.x. (I could cause Quark to crash, instantly and consistently, by merely hitting command-p to bring up the print dialog and performing certain tasks in succession, on any printer, until Quark 4.x. After that, I could only crash it when printing to certain printers... such as the $150,000 imagesetter. And, yes, I reported it to Quark. No other app did that. The place I was working at then went to the extent of printing up our very own Don't Ever Do This manuals for Quark and handing them out to everyone who had to touch Quark.) If someone comes up with a viable replacement for Photoshop Adobe will see a mass exodus. Hey, Apple, do you want to really screw Adobe over? Produce your own equivalent of CS and watch Adobe's marketshare collapse...


As for the way some people are crying because stuff doesn't work anymore... Apple's been doing this for decades. They have changed the APIs over and over again. Stuff that was written properly would still work, for a while, but even the best-written stuff would die sooner or later. Hack software would die on impact with a new OS update. (I'm looking at you, HP!) I don't particularly care for the fact that Rosetta is dead, but that fact simply means that I won't be going to Lion until certain software and hardware are no longer in use around here. This is because, well, I heard as far back as February that Rosetta was dead, and I checked things out. Very few of the new 'features' in Lion are a surprise, not if you've been paying attention. It's one thing if you've been paying attention, if you even went to Apple's site and looked at the Lion page and if you watched the keynote from WWDC which Apple went to a lot of trouble to make available to all, then you would know what you're getting into when you update to Lion. If you updated without doing basic due dilligence and now you wish you hadn't, well, you'll do your due dilligence next time, now won't you?


Anyone who does not have a backup, when it's so simple and so cheap to do so, will get very little sympathy from me. Anyone who does have a backup can always drop back to that backup should things go wrong. Having a backup before doing OS surgery is part of the necessary due dilligence.


Anyone who did not at least visit the websites of the vendors of your most important hardware and software and checked to see what they said about Lion (Microsoft, for example, was quite explicit about it) and who didn't bother to do a Google search for comments _before_ updating, well, next time they'll do their due dilligence, won't they?

Jul 26, 2011 2:42 AM in response to tonefox

This constantly echoed verse is getting old:


"Nobody is forcing anybody to update or upgrade or purchase anything."


Some people thought they were getting something new and great in Lion. Turns out it's not working out as planned. But they gave it a shot. Every MAC Forum on the web is alive with complaints so LION just isn't as great as it could be. Some users didin't plan ahead and are now unhappy. Some users did and are patting themselves on the back. In between, there seems to be a lot more complaints than usual. So in answer to the question, no I don't recommend LION until more of the bugs are addressed. Just wait.

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