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  • Michelasso Level 1 Level 1 (80 points)

    Bob, don't get me wrong. I wrote indeed that "The fact that a personal computer during a casual usage should rarely have an 100% CPU usage is a complitely different story".  We were discussing why having the CPU always running at 100% should not cause any failure.

     

    Again, you saw how Lion performs in my old MB. That is much better than what I was used in SL. It's true that after installing Lion I did a lot of maintenance to clean the account, remove old applications and the like. I also reinstalled Lion from scratch, but that's what I have always done with all OS X upgrades.

     

    One thing tho. Just for testing you may want to install Lion in a external USB disk. It's possible making an USB key for Lion installions. Check: Lion DiskMaker. I nearly creates an USB/DVD installation disk by itself. With a clean OS you may see if you are still having problems.

  • Michelasso Level 1 Level 1 (80 points)

    Alex Zavatone wrote:

     

    Gratzie.

     

    [...]

    Now, on to the meat of the issue - I was wondering if what you mentioned is actually part of the design and testing of the hardware where it is put together at Foxconn. 

    It's "Grazie". See? It's not that easy. 

     

    Anyway, don't worry. I thought it was clear I am not a native English speaking person so the tone felt a little bit over the limit.

     

    I don't know what Foxconn is. But it is how any system should work. As long as the CPU temperature stays below the maximum limit specified by the manufacturer (Intel in this case), it is fine. If it gets too hot Apple (in this case) has to design a better cooling system (heatsink, number of fans). Another option would be to undervolt/underclock the CPU, but that would be a waste. I am pretty sure they test the prototypes before to go in production.

  • dr. meguro Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    PeterVL57 wrote:

     

    Well Alex, let me save you some time on that list.

     

    To summarize the long statement of dr meguro:

    "Let me keep my Snow Leopard, make it a little more consistent, make it a little better with autosave, mail-conversation and a better calender with weeknumbers and 3 monthoverview, and i'll be happy as ever.

    (oh, and fullscreenmode is allowed as well, because I don't use it anyway, but it does not bother me either)"

     

    You can post this revolutionairy message on Apple's front door, but I don't think they will be very impressed.

    (and it's not gonna change anything for that matter).

     

    (I try to edit the post carefully, or I get corrected on that and we get a discussion about Dutch and English here as well - we would not like that, now would we ?)

    This summary does not at all reflect my critique and proposals.

    First you have to listen. So please read it more carefully.

    Then you can  improve the Lion mess.

  • Bob Jacobson Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)

    Here's hoping someone will take it upon him- or herself to pull together all of the lists, pros and cons, regarding Lion and publish an article in ARS TECHNICA or some other respected, objective popular journal well read by Mac developers and users. 

     

    You must be as objective as you can be and also describe the process of the conversation that's taken place, not just here but in other media, too.

     

    You'll do us all a real service -- especially Apple -- and maybe earn yourself an all-expenses-paid trip to lovely Cupertino.

     

    Documenting this public discourse would be a great accomplishment and set a useful precedent for future public releases. Each would have a rapporteur responsible for following the threads and reporting faithfully for all to read.  Quality summaries of controversial consumer-tech issues are hard to find on the Web.  There's a job in there.

  • PeterVL57 Level 2 Level 2 (300 points)

    Well, in a summary the nuances go lost and I think I do you short on "verslons" and "resume". Presented in a different way they have potential, you say. But aside from the consistency-part of your list, your suggestions come down to "get rid of launchpad, reconsider the whole back to Mac concept, and bring back ppc, spaces, and other parts of SL.

    Essentially it 's holding on to what was and a rejection of the new direction Apple is heading for.

    In my view your proposals are a request for "Snow Leopard plus"-version instead of a better Lion.  Nothing wrong with that, but i just think it will not happen.

  • Bob Jacobson Level 1 Level 1 (115 points)

    PeterVL57 responding to dr. meguro:

     

    ...Your suggestions come down to "get rid of launchpad, reconsider the whole back to Mac concept, and bring back ppc, spaces, and other parts of SL.  Essentially it's holding on to what was and a rejection of the new direction Apple is heading for.

     

    But we really don't know "the direction in which Apple is headed," do we?  We know what one design team enamored of iOS has tried to accomplish, with middling success.  (PS Your summary, even the whole thing, doesn't do justice to dr. meguro's comprehensive list or his recommendations.)

     

    We know that Apple wants to continue to lead (not dominate, Android dominates) sales of smartphones and iPads (Samsung is a stiff competitor).  But it also wants to sell high-end computers, because the margin makes them extremely profitable.  So perhaps it must follow two parallel but separate paths.

     

    With the exception of the Job-less times, Apple has quickly reacted to signals from its customers that it's going off the tracks.  That signal has been well conveyed in the case of Lion, according to journalists and pundits who are covering this story. 

     

    Let's wait and see what gets left behind and what included in the next OS.  Not Lion, that cat has gotten lost in the jungle, but what comes after it.  Without a crazy animal label, just pure power and ease of use.  Call it OS X+I.  Excellence Plus Intellect.

  • anyda Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    No don't do it- I had a machine core i7- 2tb, 16gb. It ran worse than my old one.

  • PeterVL57 Level 2 Level 2 (300 points)

    Bob Jacobson wrote:

     

    PeterVL57 responding to dr. meguro:

     

    ...Your suggestions come down to "get rid of launchpad, reconsider the whole back to Mac concept, and bring back ppc, spaces, and other parts of SL.  Essentially it's holding on to what was and a rejection of the new direction Apple is heading for.

     

    But we really don't know "the direction in which Apple is headed," do we?  We know what one design team enamored of iOS has tried to accomplish, with middling success.  (PS Your summary, even the whole thing, doesn't do justice to dr. meguro's comprehensive list or his recommendations.)

    Well one direction is obvious, and that is that Apple wants us to change the way we handle our computers, and get it in line with the way we handle other (mobile) devices. A lot of people see that as a step back. I don't. As long as functionality stays good, I have no objection to change that makes things easier and makes me as user therefor more productive. Lion is a sort of in-between OS and will developpe further in the direction of becoming more and more in line with the way we handle mobile devices and touchscreens.

     

    Personally I'm okay with that. But it seems to me Apple made three mistakes or have underestimated the consequences of their (lack of) actions.

    First: People with trackpad and small screens are the ones that benefit most from new features in Lion. Mouse-users and people with big screen do not see as much benefit, or only see less functionality, do not feel that it has been made easier, but in stead experience the new was and features as interferring with the workflow they grown accustomed to. 

    Second: some functionality got lost on the way or looks randomly changed and nobody really knows why, that is with the exception of changes in mail, calender and contacts, because these applications now function in Lion in the same way as on the internet (mobileme) and iPad.

    Third: they didn't bother to inform their costumers in an active way about what was really going to change in this new OS, with the most obvious example of dropping support for PPC-applications. It's made very easy to dive into the Lion world. But once inside people encounter a new world and some things they did not anticipate on. I think we can all agree Apple should have been more active on this part. That could have saved them and a lot of customers a lot of trouble.

     

    You can't undo the damage of the third kind, but you can repair and customize the OS in a way the first and second problem will be mostly eliminated for people that switch from Snow Leopard to Lion.

    People from Apple will have their hands full on the introduction of iCloudservice, iOS 5 and the connection to LIon in the next two month, but I trust in Apple to listen to it's community and to work also on a better solution for a part of the customers they seem to have left a little behind.

     

    But dismissing this new direction seems rather useless to me.

  • Michelasso Level 1 Level 1 (80 points)

    Dr. Meguro, just few hints:

     

    - The icons in Mission Control are very much useful. They are handles. You can move the whole window stack in another space clicking on them and dragging. If you don't know how to use a feature please don't ask to have it removed!!

    - I don't see linen anymore. Only blue fresh sea water in Mission Control. And some nice fireworks in the login screen. Just search in the Internet, it isn't that difficult to replace the standard Lion backgrounds.

    - In System Preferences I changed the hotkey for the Dashboard, Launchpad and others so many times. I don't understand why it isn't working for you.

    - For the Launchpad icon always showing you may need to trash the com.apple.Dock.plist file in ~/Library/Preferences

    - You may open a bug report for each issue in your list. That's the best way to be heard by Apple developers. With a bit of luck you will be selected to join the AppleSeed program. So your voice will be heard even more!!

  • softwater Level 5 Level 5 (5,370 points)
    Let's wait and see what gets left behind and what included in the next OS -- not Lion, that cat has gotten lost in the jungle, but what comes after it.

    If I were looking for a good 'big cat' name for this release of OS X I think I'd have gone with 'OS X Garfield'.

  • Victor Beltran Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)

    You can install Rosetta on Lion, do as follows:

     

    Get your Snow Leopard DVD's, insert the disc that contains the extra installations, run it, and select to install Rosetta, after that, reboot, and bingo!!! you can install Microsoft Office 2008 whit out problema!!! I haven't try to install other PowerPC software, but I think that they have to work as well.

     

    Also, if you need java for run photoshop, illustrator and the big etcetera, download it from the apple site.

     

    Mac OS X Lion is over all good, but it feels like a slim or lighter version of Snow Leopard, If you are big fan of Front Row and the classic desktop wallpapers... you'll be disappointed, because Lion only offers like 19 wallpapers and they remove all the others... I know! you can copied them from any Mac running Snow Leopard, or even better... download them from the Internet, but of course, at first hand, after installing Lion, your face goes from this :-) to this :-( and even more if you use Front Row constantly, is wipping your tears!!! (T.T)

     

    But if you don't care for this issues, Lion is fantastic on matters of interacting better whit your files, and desktop, spaces are better than ever and the visual ads are great, full screen apps, airdrop, etc.

     

    Personally, I have a mac mini (core 2 duo) running snow leopard and a mac book pro (intel i7) running Lion, my first plan, was to update my mac mini that I use as my multimedia hub at my room to Lion, but because I use Front Row to handle my media on my LCD TV, I decided not to upgrade and to stay whit snow leopard on the mini. Other option will be to buy a Apple TV, but nooooo... If I can have the same in snow leopard!!!

  • Michelasso Level 1 Level 1 (80 points)

    softwater wrote:

     

    If I were looking for a good 'big cat' name for this release of OS X I think I'd have gone with 'OS X Garfield'
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    Haha!! Well, at least he is an happy cat, isn't he?

  • Fustbariclation Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    M$ Office worked fine for me mainly - but today word crashed horribly. I'd installed the latest Office update too.

     

    Lion is a disaster in lots of areas. I've had to go back to Snow Leopard on my iMac because Lion thought that the GPU was fried - it wasn't, fortunately, but there's something badly wrong there.

     

    Other systems I've got with lion have been really slow - lots of fixing of permissions & disc scans have helped a bit.

     

    On all my machines, I've rebooted more times with lion than I have booted any of my macs in the year before it.

  • astra77 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Fustbariclation wrote:

     

    On all my machines, I've rebooted more times with lion than I have booted any of my macs in the year before it.

     

    Absolutely agree. Same thing here...

     

    Although I now know for sure that Apple is working on fixing issues, last night I received an e-mail from Applecare asking me to deliver some information regarding my Lion set-up to see if they can recreate the problem with sleep and wake up of my Mac. Was pleasantly surprised by this e-mail,  I think a lot of companies can learn a lot from this kind of interaction with their customers!

  • PeterVL57 Level 2 Level 2 (300 points)

    astra77 wrote:

     

    .... Was pleasantly surprised by this e-mail,  I think a lot of companies can learn a lot from this kind of interaction with their customers!

     

    It's exactly the reason why I trust Apple to do the right thing, adjust and fix things that ought to be fixed soon.