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  • PeterVL57 Level 2 Level 2 (300 points)

    softwater wrote:

     

    Let's wait and see what gets left behind and what included in the next OS -- not Lion, that cat has gotten lost in the jungle, but what comes after it.

    If I were looking for a good 'big cat' name for this release of OS X I think I'd have gone with 'OS X Garfield'.

     

    Hi softwater, perhaps this makes clear why this thread is now a 117 pages long and still is going nowhere (or can go on forever).

     

    Some people see the new OS X as "OS X Garfield", make a joke of it, don't really accept the changes made, see it therefor as a mess and a step backwards, don't agree with the course Apple takes with it's OS in the first place.

    Other people see the new OS X as just OS X Lion, as a step foreward in a long developpement of wild cat OS's, accept the changes basicly, but also recognize the need to make some things better, and recognize the need for transitional measures.

     

    But the first group does not want this transition at all, so we don't come eye to eye, on this issue, and we won't unless we recognize this pattern of debatting the pro's and cons of Lion.

     

    Am I right or wrong on this?

  • jamiana Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Absolutely positively NOT. It is an unfinished tragic farce of an os.

  • softwater Level 5 Level 5 (5,370 points)

    Hi Peter

     

    I agree with you that there are polarised opinions on here, but I'm not sure I accept your characterisation as being the fundamental driving force behind this book-length thread.

     

    I've been following this thread from the start; I ducked out around page 70 and slipped back in about page 100 or so. IMO, what's driving it is two separate dichotomies:

     

    A

    i. there are some people with real problems with Lion

    ii. there are some old forum hands who dismiss those problems as being the fault of those users; moreover, they do so in unnecessarily combative and aggressive terms which only serve to drive further replies.

     

    B

    i. there are some people who think Lion is an attempt to 'dumb down' OS X to be like an iOS toy operating system

    ii. there are some people who think whatever direction Apple is going in is probably the right one; after all, almost all of us are Apple customers because we like what they've done in the past.

     

    So this second tension is really a matter of trust: some people have lost faith in Apple after seeing Lion, others have not. This is my 'problem'; for the first time since I became a Mac user, I don't trust where Apple are going.

     

    Best

     

    Sw

  • Gary Cox1 Level 2 Level 2 (420 points)

    Just a word of warning, among the growing number of applications which isn't compatible with OSX 10.7 Lion you can add to it Norton Antivirus 11 for Mac.   Symantec's web site indicates "Mac OSX Lion is not currently supported by Norton for Mac Products".   That may perhaps be part of the problem of bookup lockups and such.  So is any virus protection available for OSX Lion 10.7?

     

    ... Gary

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (40,340 points)

    Gary Cox1 wrote:

     

    Just a word of warning, among the growing number of applications which isn't compatible with OSX 10.7 Lion you can add to it Norton Antivirus 11 for Mac.   Symantec's web site indicates "Mac OSX Lion is not currently supported by Norton for Mac Products".   That may perhaps be part of the problem of bookup lockups and such.  So is any virus protection available for OSX Lion 10.7?

     

    ... Gary

    ClamXav is recomended often, I won't miss Norton, AntiVirus software manufacturers should be able to keep up.

  • Richard Segedi Level 4 Level 4 (1,035 points)

    Michelasso wrote:

     

    softwater wrote:

     

    If I were looking for a good 'big cat' name for this release of OS X I think I'd have gone with 'OS X Garfield'
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    Haha!! Well, at least he is an happy cat, isn't he?

    Actually Garfield 's a pretty savvy character. OSX Sylvester might be more appropriate.

     

    Rick

  • softwater Level 5 Level 5 (5,370 points)

    Oh, Lion's savvy enough. It's just that it's also a bit bloated and aimed at kids...

  • Michelasso Level 1 Level 1 (80 points)

    Well, that's a little bit unfair. There is also

     

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    i. There are people that didn't embrace the new features, don't like any of them, so they refuse to get the best out of Lion often complaining that this and that is missing

    ii. Others appreciate Lion, like the new interface, took the time to see what changed and when possible explain to the people above how to make this and that working even if in a different way.

     

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    i. There are people that fear OS X has been dumbed down only for the introduction of Launchpad, since it may make an office computer looking too much like a mobile device, defined by them as "a toy".

    ii. Other people either ignore Launchpad because they organized already the workflow in a efficient way or appreciate the new feature because, to be honest, it is the fastest way to scroll through all applications.

     

    I'd say that the only people with a right to complain (hard) are the ones from A-i. Otherwise it is just a fight between reactionaries and progressives. Cons and Libdems. Montecchi and Capuleti. That's why this discussion is never ending!!

  • anafromcharlottesville Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Absolutely NOT!!! I deeply regret having updated to Lion. I have to restart my computer on a daily basis now, it gets super hot super fast, frezzes on me all the time and I don't think - in terms of the improvements advertized - it is much better than the Snow Leopard. I hate it! It has made my computer life miserable!

  • Whitecity Level 2 Level 2 (340 points)

    Not working with Norton is a feature, not a bug. You don't need any 'anti-virus' software.

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (40,340 points)

    softwater wrote:

     

    Oh, Lion's savvy enough. It's just that it's also a bit bloated and aimed at kids...

    Wonderfully disparaging remark, all of us that converted to Lion without issue and are happily working on it now are Kids?

     

     

  • Whitecity Level 2 Level 2 (340 points)

    No, like kids.

  • Csound1 Level 8 Level 8 (40,340 points)

    Thanks for clarifying.

  • Michelasso Level 1 Level 1 (80 points)

    Whitecity wrote:

     

    No, like kids.

    Kids don't use Terminal..

  • Michael Ruiz2 Level 1 Level 1 (25 points)

    I take issue with launchpad being the fastest way to scroll through apps:

    If I was able to organize my Apps folder properly (and move Apple apps into the right places without changing the ACLs onr at a time) I could screenshot it for you:

    Apps-via-Dock.PNG

     

    As you can see, I can navigate to apps by navigating to their specific app category folder with one click and then a mouseover. With Launchpad, I would have to swipe back and forth untikl I spotted the app -- which is made more difficult by the lack of any organization tools other than clicking and dragging apps around which take much more time than just dropping them in a folder.