Apple killed OSX with Lion

aroon wrote:

Ok... So now apple is trying to fix up all issues and release a new Mountain Lion...

Hope it is not crappy like Lion

If you like the iOS features that were introduced with Lion, you'll love Mtn Lion 😉

Oh nooo!!!

"Apple Inc. (AAPL) will release an upgrade to its Mac operating system later this year, making its laptops and desktops more like iPhones and iPads"

I don't need a 15" clamashell iPhone with full size keyboard and pheripherials.

I need a desktop/laptop computer to work on.

It's what I wrote months ago.

OSX will be more and more resembling iOS 😁

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) jeudi 16 février 2012

iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3

My Box account is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k

Yes, and of course early adopters will be able to look forward to months of printers, routers, anything Adobe and possible MS failing to work.

Not leaving us in any doubt about how much their old customer base is worth to them, are they... 😟

To be honest, I just saw the overview video on YouTube posted by some user and I thought it was a parody/rant on Lion. Things like "Mountain" Lion and syncing notes and todos can't really be the most advanced OS in the world.

What on earth are they doing? A new OS for syncing notes to iPad? I'm thrilled. Or maybe it's rather to implement the Gatekeeper and cut off the options one by one until "App Store only" is left over.

Or maybe they gave up on Lion and it's bad reputation and want to move on quickly and just have nothing better to announce.

What on earth are they doing?

John Gruber helps give some context to what's going on:

http://daringfireball.net/2012/02/mountain_lion

Matt

Thanks a lot Matt, that's very interesting and gives me some relief. I hope it's true that the don't want the Mac to be seen as secondary to the iPad. And most important: that they indeed see a fundamental difference between Macs and iPads, which means they don't try to produce 17" clamshell iPads.

The point that I don't agree is the aggressive simplifying attempt. In my opinion, one-level file storing like in the iPad is a huge problem if you have more than one file. Finding a file in Pages on iPad is a pain. Why could that be beneficious on a mac that could do much better? (But, on the other hand, no innovation without errors.)

Thank for this link.

I wish to point a very interesting sentence :

The changes and additions in Mountain Lion are in a consistent vein: making things simpler and more obvious, closer to how things should be rather than simply how they always have been.

From my point of view, it's a very good news.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) jeudi 16 février 2012

iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3

My Box account is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k

What on earth are they doing?

John Gruber helps give some context to what's going on:

http://daringfireball.net/2012/02/mountain_lion

After reading the articles on Apple Insider, I went to sleep slightly ill contemplating being forced to use Mountain Lion. Why, to use the forthcoming $1400+ MacBook Air I want to buy, must I be trained to use it as I would a $200 iPhone?

The fact that Gruber found Lion in its developer mode "exciting" is enough to give the reader pause that his review of Mountain Lion, as described by Schiller et al, is going to be anything other than a puff piece, especially given he's one of a privileged few invited by Apple to a "private briefing." I read through the article and my takeaway is that iOS is here to stay and despite the token bows to Mac users who financed the current device deluge, they will milk their ever-hopeful computer customers, who make big bucks purchases (a lot more profitable per unit sold than iPhones or iPads, like by a factor of 10), and use the cash to enforce Apple's position in devices, digital toys, and content (Apple TV grown up as an actual "network"). Of those three products, the only one that impresses is Apple TV: its functionality is primitive but sufficient for the task. The other two are irrelevant to Mac users per se.

If people want the lesser products, sure, satisfy them, but don't make my adopting their simpleton approach the price of entry for using a Mac. By the way, it's likely that soon there will be no "Macs." With ML, Mac OS will become OSX. Can the replacement of the Mac by the iComp, which acts suspicously like the iPhone and iPad, be far behind?

Why should I be cajoled into using iCloud and receiving virtually all content via Apple, making me, its customer, totally dependent on it and subject to whatever future pricing it decides to impose? (Ironically, that is cited as ML's main new "feature"! With features like that, who needs bankers to rifle one's wallet?)

Why can't I customize my Mac in fundamental ways as I could during the now unjustly-reviled Gil Amelio era, in the late 90s, when Apple licensed its interface to other manufacturers? My Motorola StarMax was arguably the best Mac going at the time -- far superior to Apple's own products -- with seven custom-installed "cards" (essential for running third-party apps), and the amazing Mac OS 9 interface, then top of the mark. I won't argue that Mac 10 wasn't an improvement, but that seems to have lasted only through Snow Leopard. We now are headed retro in terms of customer control of the Mac products we buy. Being a Mac expert now means knowing where to buy an app in the Apple Store and developing workarounds to use hastily written OSs without inherent merit.

In the 30 years I've been using its computer products, I never once considered abandoning Apple (except for the StarMax affair, and even then I still used its software) and I'm reluctant to begin now. But Apple apparently is forcing me to choose -- its way or the highway -- and its way is toward simplication, hiding files, teaching us to be satisfied with "apps," using its servers, and buying its entertainment content. I just want to do computer things. If this is how Apple "cares for" its Mac users, I fear Apple and I are reaching an unavoidable fork in the road. There is no pleasure in this.

Bob,

Out of curiosity I have a few questions...

Do you own or use an iPhone?

Do you own or use a "Smart Phone"?

My guess is the answer is no.

Do you own or use an iPad?

Again, my guess is no.

Matt

You don't have to. No one forces you to use Macs, or any version of OS X (business counterpoint exempt). Move to a different PC if you have such gripes. I didn't like Lion, so I went back to Snow Leopard. Problem Solved.

Matthew Morgan wrote:

Bob,

Out of curiosity I have a few questions...

Do you own or use an iPhone?

Do you own or use a "Smart Phone"?

My guess is the answer is no.

Do you own or use an iPad?

Again, my guess is no.

Matt

Are those now required to get any value out of Mac OS X Mountain Lion?

But your questions prove his point. OS X (with the reason clear now for the 'Mac' tag being dropped) is no longer a stand alone computer operating system, it's an Apple's products and services device manager.

Are those now required to get any value out of Mac OS X Mountain Lion?

No.

But your questions prove his point. OS X (with the reason clear now for the 'Mac' tag being dropped) is no longer a stand alone computer operating system, it's an Apple's products and services device manager.

Yup.

Can you explain what it is that you want to do that you can't do?

Matt

Thanks for all your questions, which have the same purpose as a cross-examination in court: ad hominem arguments that the person stating the complaint doesn't know what he/she is talking about. I know what I'm talking about.

For one, read my Mail easier. The Lion interface sucked, but you could turn off and return to Snow Leopard. Apparently there is no version-off option with Mountain Lion.

For another, have independent resolution typefaces that do not require a magnifying glass to make out.

For a third, not have to use iCloud for anything.

For a fourth, have my files again easily displayed without having to go through legerdemain to make them visible. I like knowing what files I have onboard.

For a fifth, have a more advanced OS that like Snow Leopard represents forward movement from prior OS versions, not just a revision for "features" sake. I don't depend on nor want more services from Apple. I prefer to mix and match the best of independent invention and enterprise with the corporate platform.

No, I don't use an iPhone or an iPad. None of my highly technical peers does, either. Most prefer clamshell cellphones for calling, laptops for computing. Mobility is highly trumped up in value. Sit back and enjoy the ride.

I just want a really powerful, competent, and customizable Apple computer, easy to use, that doesn't impose a lockstep regimen.

You don't have to. No one forces you to use Macs, or any version of OS X (business counterpoint exempt). Move to a different PC if you have such gripes. I didn't like Lion, so I went back to Snow Leopard. Problem Solved.

I went back to Snow Leopard right away, as soon as Apple finished replacing the CPU, logic board, and SSD that burned out a day after installing Lion.

Problem is, Snow Leopard will obviously be obsoleted by Apple by year's end. Then what? Use Mountain Lion or move to a PC? That's not a choice, that's lose or lose. Would it be so hard for Apple to provide a third alternative? Guess so.