Apple killed OSX with Lion

PS Those aren't gripes. The way things work may suit many users. But for many others, these are reasonable user requirements.

Apple is now deleting my comments, so I'll leave. Bye.

How do we give Bob Jacobson points? Why is he only Level 1? He should be at the highest level. His posts here are the most lucid contributions I've read for quite a while.

## Problem is, Snow Leopard will obviously be obsoleted by Apple by Year end.

This is of course speculation and may explain why someone is deleting your posts 😉. Something I have been guilty of, too.

But I will say this. Were Snow leopard to be obsoleted so soon after its introduction, I would have to think again about continuing with Apple products.

I like Snow Leopard; it meets all my needs and surely it is in Apple's interests that users are happy with their products.

Thanks (although the post deleted was a discussion of Apple's strategy, a hoped for direction, not a speculation about a product). I like Snow Leopard too and have spent some time learning its ins and outs. I found Lion not worth the trouble, given I'm not into i-devices and don't appreciate their interaction design other than for phone calls, for which I prefer a phone or Skype on my MacBook Pro. All of Apple's competitive strategic moves challenge my way of doing things. I can live with it for awhile, but wish the moves more often complemented my behavior rather than forcing me to behave like non-computer others.

Tom in London wrote:

How do we give Bob Jacobson points? Why is he only Level 1? He should be at the highest level. His posts here are the most lucid contributions I've read for quite a while.

Points are awarded by posters to other posters who help solve a problem, Bob has received points from those other people who thought he was helpful, but not many did.

Do I have this or that little device? Since when does a $500 toy mean anything to anyone who makes real money or does real work?

And helpful is a relative word. Forums these days are relative to the purposes of the administrators; actual dialogue is reserved for third-party professional forums monitored by Apple's development teams and business unit managers; and very little of what gets said here has any affect on company direction, so knuckle up. This is a chit-chat place til someone from Apple steps in and actually says something (besides "can't say that").

I relate a lot to what Bob Jacobson says because I use my computer (with all ten digits) for work and tend to view it as a tool. This is what more-or-less kept Apple alive in the lean years and is not the current popular iDemographic for sales these days so I can understand being slotted into a minority. I also have no problem rolling over into Windows or Linux or whatever to get things done once I've been marginalized to that degree. That's business.

At present, Snow Leopard suffices and I can maintain that for a few three to four years with or without support. Then I'll see which way I go from there. That's also the way of business. OSX Lion and the direction of OSML is not a business-oriented OS.

Quite frankly, Apple needs to break up their OS into iPlay and iWork divisions because I have yet to see someone show me how to produce on their iPad/iPhone the same thing they show me on their "smart" device. You need computers that do actual, productive work for that.

The current OS directions in Apple and other OSes towards cloud this and cloud that, touch this and touch that, are good for show and common day-to-day chit-chat but don't mean squat to production: not everybody is or wants to be connected fulltime to get anything done in this world. I, for one, travel a lot where even gettting on this forum is an impractical expectation. Want me to sync my day-to-day and earn a living? Let's backtrack a little. Apple and others have been trying this cloud-stuff before and I need to see 18-36 months of staying-the-course before I bank on that one. Fulltime internet for productivity is still impractical and no business (or business-minded individual) is going to bank on that either.

So dont' worry about it Bob, I also get comments deleted and expect this to get deleted too because some 20-year-old thinks it's off-topic.

colorcanuck wrote:

So dont' worry about it Bob, I also get comments deleted and expect this to get deleted too because some 20-year-old thinks it's off-topic.

I don't own an iPhone, I don't own an iPad, I'm 69 years old and am not surprised that comments violating the Terms of Use about Apple choices were removed.

What is surprising is the fact that so few of them were removed.

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) samedi 18 février 2012

iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3

My Box account is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k

OP - You many like Better Touch Tool, a highly tweakable, freeware program that allows you to set gestures/ taps/swipes/clicks/snaps as you like: http://www.boastr.de/

FYI - Melanie

Dear Matt, I can understand why you ask the following in the manner you do:

"Out of curiosity I have a few questions...

Do you own or use an iPhone?

Do you own or use a "Smart Phone"?

My guess is the answer is no.

Do you own or use an iPad?

Again, my guess is no.

Matt"

I don't expect someone will be asking you the same question for the next generation of "tools" in the future. I hope you have the forsight and work habit to keep up on past and present and forthcoming technology and come to recognize the value in all. Normally I can go through most "gadgets" in about 2-14 working hours, tell you how productive they will be relative to the industry you are in, and summarize them in a nice concise (paid) report to save your company overhead and useless outlay in the next 18-36 months.

In the meantime, you might consider what others have to say and, yes, they are nice toys for most consumers and people who take advantage of them as extensions of their base-work technologies.

Cheers.

ps: didn't use my "smart device" to post this because I type faster on my MBPro. (Realtime response: >2min).

He he he... Mr. Koenig, you're a funny guy. ;o)

Thanks,

it seems that a lot of ranters here are wicked.

I forgot to write that I owned and used :

an ITT2020 (which was an official clone of the Apple ][

an Apple //e

three Apple //gs

a Mac SE30

a PowerMac 7500

a PowerMac 7600

a PowerMac G3 (desktop)

a PowerMac G4 QuickSilver (always in use)

a PowerMac G5 2 x 2.0 GHz (died)

an iMac 20" mid 2007

an iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3

So, I feel that my advice is no less valid than ranters ones.

I wish to add that my points were given by users thinking that I helped them.

Alas, I didn't read many helpful infos in this thread which make me think to "le choeur des pleureuses".

Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) samedi 18 février 2012

iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 12 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.3

My Box account is : http://www.box.com/s/00qnssoyeq2xvc22ra4k

"Lion is great and is also the only OS being shipped with Macs"

This is one of the key "features" which will some day force me to give up on MacOS - hardware tied to a specific OS version. Apple more and more cares too much about me, and believes too much to know about what my personal needs are.

I absolutely agree with the posts of Bob Jacobson - not much to add.

Lion and most likely Montain Lion have nearly no real new features compared to snow leopard - instead, the changes of the UI might annoy some people including me (example: the forced reopening of the last finder windows and applications after a restart). And even if I try to use my hardware as long as possible, sometimes I have to get a new machine, resulting in beeing locked to a specific MacOS version. With a little more development effort apple could also support older OS version on newer machines. And I would not have a reason to complain.

Go play with Windows!

rbetts101 wrote:

Go play with Windows!

That's exactly my plan: replace the HD in my mid-2009 MBP with the biggest new HD I can find, max out the RAM, install Parallels Desktop, and put Windows 7 on a separate partition. Keep using Snow Leopard as my main OS.

Keep Lion (or ML or whatever) on a separate computer, as a curiosity item.

In about 3-4 years' time if the MacOS hasn't got any better and Windows hasn't got any worse, then I'll decide which way to go.

I'm guessing that by then the two systems will be almost identical. Or maybe by then Linux will have become less nerdy. I'm interested in Linux because it offers a third way that gets you away from the moneymaking clutches of the two main OS companies. And there are already some interesting front ends to Linux that make it a little more user-friendly.