Why is Lion so slow?

Thanks allaithy.

Followed your steps. So far, I am feeling a bit improvement. But too early to say.

Will update again in few days.

For anyone that may be considering time machine or snapshots in this topic of discussion -

An alternative to running a command to disable SnapShots is to use an app called "Time Machine Editor". This app allows you to specifiy when exactly you want time machine backups made, however it works with the Time Machine OFF. So there will be no snapshots taken and you still get your backups.

Well, It's been a few days Back on Snow,... I did Partition the drive, wiped it, installed Snow on one and Lion on the other updated everything to current version of both and all programs on both. I left Lion runnig over night to let it do all it's indexing... when push comes to shove, Snow is just plan faster and more stable. In start up, running Safari and Mail. the 3 main things just about everyone does on their macs there is just no question that Lion gives out the spinning beach ball 50% more often. With all the other stupid little things, hacks and such... I'm sorry but Lion just isn't worth the $$$ Why pay to get worse? Because it more "modern"? My brother got a new Mac Book Pro a few weeks before Lion came out. He upgraded (for free) and thought everything was fine as he's used to everything being goofy as he was a PC'er. Till he came over and saw how much faster my Mini was running. And my Mini is a slower computer in the first place. We'll be downgrading his Macbook this weekend!

My mac is less than a year old model (late 2010 Mac Mini) Ive been running Apple products since the Apple 2's I still have old 030, 040 and G4 Power PC's running in the house that I use at least once a month minimum.(my G5 went bust last year after 9 years, reason I got the Mini) I am far from clueless as to how a Mac computer runs, I know how to check things, make sure the hardware is good. bla bla bla.. I'm sorry, but to have to hack an OS and go through all the issues people are having to deal with to get Lion running correctly...😕 well, Just staying with Snow. I will keep trying as upgrades come along as almost every OS starts out with issues that get corrected as the upgrades come out.. but at this time,.. Lion isn't worth the headaches. I'm sure some people have systems it runs fine on, But I'm guessing not the majority. I have played with over 10 Macs in the last few weeks that all run Lion and the people think they are fine (regular everyday type people, not geeks) and I instantly notice how laggy their computers are running compared to mine when it's running Snow. I think if people sat and used them side by side they would insantly go with Snow. Sorry Lion advicates, but it's not a mature OS..... yet

Thank you! It's much bettar now! 🙂

I have been using Macs since 1985. Never ever had a problem to report, untill now.

Since July 22th (the same day my Oslo lost 77 young people) I have had problems every day with my mid 2009 MBP.

It all startet with installing Lion, on the 22th og July.... Then back to SL, same problem. Now up on Lion again with same problems.

Lag, lag, lag. Almost exactly 28 seconds all the time. If you run a movie, a song in Itunes, iPhoto or just play around in Finder. Same ****.

Getting tired of not getting any help from Apple. The only thing I can do is reading treads like this and try e v e r y t h i n g.

Apple! Where the **** are you??

dusanofrode wrote:

Getting tired of not getting any help from Apple. The only thing I can do is reading treads like this and try e v e r y t h i n g.

Apple! Where the **** are you??

Apple are here

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

Not here on the forums.

The majority are having few issues with Lion, although some models are reporting shorter battery life and WiFi configurations concerns, which, if caused by Lion should be rectified soon. Snow Leopard had many disasterous faults according to users in this forum when it was released and now all who can't get to used to Lion claim it as the best OS ever.

Most users just can't, or don't want to get used to the changes, but this is Lion and it is here to stay for a good while. Use Snow if you wish but be aware that allsupport for future system updates will be dropped and whatever the next OSX, Spaces, Rosetta and such will be as memorable as Claris and KidsPaint.

So again

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

Is where you need to have your voice heard.

Cheers

dusanofrode wrote:

I have been using Macs since 1985. Never ever had a problem to report, untill now.

Since July 22th (the same day my Oslo lost 77 young people) I have had problems every day with my mid 2009 MBP.

It all startet with installing Lion, on the 22th og July.... Then back to SL, same problem. Now up on Lion again with same problems.

Lag, lag, lag. Almost exactly 28 seconds all the time. If you run a movie, a song in Itunes, iPhoto or just play around in Finder. Same ****.

Getting tired of not getting any help from Apple. The only thing I can do is reading treads like this and try e v e r y t h i n g.

Apple! Where the **** are you??

when you downgrade to Snow did you do a wipe and clean install? DO NOT use a Time Machine to get your stuff. As what ever is causing the problem is just going to get reloaded. I have an exteral drive and I physically Drag and dropped everything I wanted to save, Wiped the drive, clean install of Snow, and reinstalled all apps from scratch.. then dragged over what ever file I wanted. No using anything to set up either, set up all e-mail accts and such from scratch... Seems like a pain (and it was) but now Snow runs beautifully (and yes, did the same thing for Lion and it still ran sluggish)

If there is a Mac store around you bring it in there, If it's been less than 6 months since you got Lion They should be able to fix it for you and it shouldn't cost you a penny (as it's basically Lion's fualt not yours) Try calling 1800 SOS APPLE too... might get somewhere with them that way.. just keep (POLITELY) stating it's all from Lion and though the machine isn't warr any more the Software is ...

Add me to the long & growing list of Mac users who are sorry they upgraded to Lion. Running 2.8 ghz Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro with 4gb ram, 500 FB hd. Mac user since 84, former Apple employee, current tech support business owner, and current Apple stockholder, if that all tells you whose side I'm on. As a Mac user since 1984, I have been through about every upgrade in the history of Macupgradedom.

This one - Lion - is not ready for prime time. I upgraded in place, found the performance so slow machine was unusable, first did the repair permissions 4 or 5 times, which got performance back for about 20 mins each time before the freakin beach balls returned. Then did clean install, which took nearly 2 days to complete.Machine ok for maybe a week and now the **** beach ball is back. Apple, get busy on this!

And yes, I did submit the above to Apple's bug reporting

chr2 wrote:

Apple, get busy on this!

And yes, I did submit the above to Apple's bug reporting

Again, no good telling Apple here, and as a shareholder you must be thriled that 4 million people downloaded Lion in the first 4 days, most who have no isues, as you can tell by the increadibly small percentage who come to the trouble shooting forums, many of who maybe should have come here first to check on how to install and what to expect. I know as a shareholder, I am thrilled with the success of Lion, and the usability of it with no isues and the advancement of it over Snow Leopard, so I don't know what happened to your installation.

Cheers

Neil from Oz wrote:

Again, no good telling Apple here, and as a shareholder you must be thriled that 4 million people downloaded Lion in the first 4 days, most who have no isues, as you can tell by the increadibly small percentage who come to the trouble shooting forums, many of who maybe should have come here first to check on how to install and what to expect. I know as a shareholder, I am thrilled with the success of Lion, and the usability of it with no isues and the advancement of it over Snow Leopard, so I don't know what happened to your installation.

Cheers

So, you're saying just because people bought it and you made money that it's a good product... demonstrates normal corperate ignorance! (i'm not picking on you, or bashing you, just stating a observation)

Let me give you some information... 80% of the people using a mac have no clue that these forums are even here, they just don't have the "geek" in them or many just don't care and think the "welcome to technology" thoughts and just deal with it. Another 10% wouldn't bother coming here even if they did as they just hack/fix/ do what ever they want to and get the thing running... that leaves us 10% who come here to share our issues with each other to try and find a common problem and a fix to it. For every one person here complaining there is at least 10-15 more out there with the same issue. I know as I'm a "go to guy" for all my Mac user friends. not one of them come here! And I'm going to be back grading to Snow on probably 10 machines at least in the next few weeks as every one I know is complaining about the spinning beach ball since getting Lion. (mostly in safari to be honest) Most thought there was just something wrong with their machines, reason they get in contact with me. Sorry, but just because something "sold" in the 1st 4 days doesn't mean it actually works correctly!! My brothers MacBook Pro runs OK on Lion,.. but my slower Processor Mac Mini runs faster than his does and I'm on Snow.. how much you want to bet after we dump Lion it'll run faster?

I could go on, but I'm not going to bother, Lion (like all Mac stuff) will work, eventually, but they didn't think about the end user as much as they should have and worried less about all the goofy stuff most people don't want. (I have yet to find a single person who actually likes all the windows re-opening everytime they start their computer, and no one wants to have to tell the thing to NOT do something it shouldn't be doing in the first place. It's actually a nice feature, but should default to OFF!!)

D. Thomas Lamourine wrote:

So, you're saying just because people bought it and you made money that it's a good product... demonstrates normal corperate ignorance! (i'm not picking on you, or bashing you, just stating a observation)

No, I'm telling you that it the biggest and fasted selling OSX yet.

Let me give you some information...

And I will give you some, very few people are having issues. The same old names keep popping up here after every OSX release.

I know as I'm a "go to guy" for all my Mac user friends. not one of them come here! And I'm going to be back grading to Snow on probably 10 machines at least in the next few weeks as every one I know is complaining about the spinning beach ball since getting Lion.

Maybe you are not a very good 'Go To Guy', have you thought of that? You can't get your own machine working. So you downgrade your friends computers as well instead of looking at the cause.

. Sorry, but just because something "sold" in the 1st 4 days doesn't mean it actually works correctly!!

But it does.

My brothers MacBook Pro runs OK on Lion,.. but my slower Processor Mac Mini runs faster than his does and I'm on Snow.. how much you want to bet after we dump Lion it'll run faster?

Might have been the 'Go To Guy'.

I could go on, but I'm not going to bother,

Thank you for sparing us.

Cheers

I posted a number of times to this discussion quite awhile ago because I was having all of the Lion problems. Mysteriously, the problems stopped about two months ago. I don't mean to be complaining about that but it just seems weird that I try all of the fixes that people recommended and they didn't help, and then the problem just stops on its own.

Did it coincide with the 10.7.2 update and security update by chance? It did seem to help a large amount of people. Some tried the 10.7, didn't like it and moved straight back to S/L. Snow Leopard was similar in it's early incantations and people screamed blue murder here about what a disaster it was, and then suddenly it was the greatest thing ever. lol

Glad to hear everything is running fine for you as it is for millions of others.

Happy Computing

Neil

Well gosh, thanks for your uh sympathy, I guess, Neil. But no, I'm not thrilled as a stockholder that the flagship product's new OS has major performance problems for more than a few users. I'm concerned, both bc Apple appears to be blindsided and dumbfounded by the issue --- else why are they saying and advising *nothing* about it --- and bc this may be indicative of the feared dreaded post-Steve quality drop off.

As I said before, I've been through every upgrade since 1984 on the Mac, so that would be ALL of them. And this is the first that breaks your computer. Stops you from using it. At all. (i'm posting this from my iPhone). I'm not alone - lots of others have posted here about it and these ppl are surely a fraction of those inflicted --- do you really think everyone with a problem is gonna bother airing it in this little tucked away corner of the world?

Does anyone have any procedures that rectify Lion slowness beyond Repair Permissions, Clean Install or Buy New Computer?

chr2 wrote:

that the flagship product's new OS has major performance problems for more than a few users.

As did Tiger, Leopard, and Snow Leopard and lets not forget the transition from Classic to OSX

I'm concerned, both bc Apple appears to be blindsided and dumbfounded by the issue --- else why are they saying and advising *nothing* about it --- and bc this may be indicative of the feared dreaded post-Steve quality drop off.

What issue? They have nothing to address. They continue to improve Lion in every update.

As I said before, I've been through every upgrade since 1984 on the Mac, so that would be ALL of them.

Me too

And this is the first that breaks your computer. Stops you from using it. At all. (i'm posting this from my iPhone).

Have not seen this on mine or anyone else's Macs yet

I'm not alone - lots of others have posted here about it and these ppl are surely a fraction of those inflicted ---

Speculation

do you really think everyone with a problem is gonna bother airing it in this little tucked away corner of the world?

No, and all the ones with no problems are not going to bother to come here and tell the whingers (who are there seem to be more of than people with issues) about their positive experiences. That is why it is called a troubleshooting forum.

Does anyone have any procedures that rectify Lion slowness beyond Repair Permissions, Clean Install or Buy New Computer?

If they are the only three suggestions you have seen here to solve your personal issues, then you need to read more. Or just go backwards to Snow Leopard.

Happy Days