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Safari 5.1 under 10.6.8: various issues (responsability, scrolling, etc)

Hi,


here my observations, issues after upgrading to Safari 5.1 (from 5.0.1) under 10.6.8.


Scrolling is often choppy (with two fingers, with scroll wheel). Terribly annoying.


There is – not always, bit quite often – a strange refresh-effect when switching tabs or windows: the switched-to tab/windows goes blank for a very short moment before it comes back with its content (no reload involved, apparently just a display issue), of course terribly annoying.


Text input is lagging (like here, like now).


The beach ball is seen way too often, and way more often than in 5.0.1.


Text selection is lagging. You have to do it veeeeeerrrrry sloooooowly.


I guess, you can sum it up this way: responsability and UI interaction is not right.


This is not the case with regard to page loads, which is snappy, probably even better than in 5.0.1.


Another point: Window switching changed its algorithm back to how it used to be quite some time ago (maybe pre 5.x): The order of the windows does not get re-shuffled, but stays the way it was – so, on the one hand, you have to ‘caroussel’ to all of the windows to get back to the first; on the other hand, you don’t see (as in Safari 5.0.x) one window again and again just because you paused switching for a moment, or closed out some tab. A bit hard to describe, but I guess people will recognize what I mean.

Both algorithms have their pros and cons. I guess I like 5.1’s change back to the ‘traditional’ better, but it’s also a matter of taste, I guess.


RAM usage is pretty hefty as well: “Safari Web Content” 720MB, “Safari” 267MB, Flash Player (Safari Internet plug-in) 25,8MB – I have 2 GB RAM installed.


Text input is horribly lagging. Consider me brave to have finished this posting here.


Please, Webkit/Safari team, fix it.


Best,

Peter

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.8)

Posted on Jul 22, 2011 10:13 AM

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Oct 7, 2011 12:47 AM in response to Kadima

another tip to resolve all those issues is to disable multi-processing windows in the debug menu.


1. to show the safari debug menu open the terminal, copy paste the following line and hit enter:


defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeInternalDebugMenu 1


2. restart safari and in the "Debug" menu select "Use Multi-process Windows" so that it is unchecked.


3. (optional) to hide the debug menu, open terminal again (if not still open), copy paste the following line and hit enter. afterwards close the terminal and restart safari.


defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeInternalDebugMenu 0

Nov 19, 2011 10:11 AM in response to Kadima

Yep. Just upgraded to Safari 5.1 earlier this week and it has many problems. Plugin incompatibility issues - websites breaking - it hangs up at random times for no reason - even on simple page loads.


Running 5.1 on 10.6.8


Went out to the Mac OS X HINTS Link provided above and got to the Achive Restore File and reverted back to Safari 5.0.5.


So far things seem to at least be back to what they were last week before my upgrade to 5.1.


Haven't tested everything yet - but we'll see.


Hopefully Apple outs another update for Snow Leopard to fix the problems with 5.1 and doesn't simply leave those Customers hanging that "cannot readily upgrade their equipment every year so we can stay inside the actively supported group" bubble.

Nov 21, 2011 6:26 PM in response to Kadima

I have not downgraded Safari yet, but I've found a kind of a workaround.


I keep a lot of tabs open and tend to leave Safari open for days at a time. After a while it gets laggy, as described in this thread, particularly when when scrolling or loading pages. Sometimes when I click a link it will pause for several seconds before doing anything. Everything is slow. Quitting the program and reopening fixes things, but it's a pain. (I have to save and restore all the tabs)


Instead of this, I've found I can open Activity Monitor (in Utilities), select "Safari Web Content" and quit that process. Safari will reload all of the active pages and the lagging stops (for a while).

Nov 29, 2011 9:10 PM in response to Kadima

I have just installed the Safari 5.1.2 update, which claims to address all the issues I and you all have been dealing with. So far I haven't had any beach balls or sudden reloads, but after less than an hour of light use, my Safari Web Content process is already using 1GB or real memory. Not a great sign.


5.0.5 doesn't seem to be available for download anymore, either.😠

Nov 30, 2011 2:42 AM in response to Tony Lash

Safari 5.0.5 for Snow Leopard is still available for download (see also my post on page 1 of this thread):


http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/Safari5/041-0564. 20110413.Fi9pb/Safari5.0.5SnowLeopard.dmg


With regard to Leopard here’s the link to Safari 5.0.5 for 10.5:


http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/Safari5/041-0562. 20110413.uf9L2/Safari5.0.5Leopard.dmg


However, you might (I have no experience regarding Leopard) want to prefer Safari 5.0.6, which was released exclusively for Leopard (no Snow Leopard version; newer SL versions are 5.1.x only), apparenty including, compared with 5.0.5, some security fixes etc:


http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1422

Nov 30, 2011 4:31 AM in response to Kadima

I have to, still, make a good experience with Safari, even with 5.1.2.


The trouble usually starts with Apple Mail. When I read my RSS feed and click on pages, the whole interaction between Apple Mail and Safari bogs down, with the Safari Web Content process easily exceeding 1GB, this happens on 20 clicks from the RSS feed as it does with 40.


It is not only that Safari in these cases slows down, but it really hangs, with no longer loading any pages. I have to kill Safari Web Content process, and then I can go through the pages reloading, one by one.

Dec 1, 2011 11:46 AM in response to Kadima

Thanks for the link. For some reason I was not able to get it to work before.


5.1.2 is a bit of an improvement so far in terms of overall performance (haven't gotten all the beach balls, etc), but the Safari Web Content process still seems to have some kind of bad memory leak. It only takes an hour or two for it to balloon to 1.5GB+, regardless of whether AdBlock is on or off, and even regardless of whether I'm loading new pages or doing anything, really. It just sits there getting bigger and bigger.


Seems like Safari has always had a memory leak issue, but with 5.1 it seems like it's moved to the separate Web Content process and it's even worse.

Feb 18, 2012 2:51 PM in response to Steve Rogers

Hi guys ! Anyone of you have FB photo zoom ?

Because for me, when I was on facebook with that extension I has THE problem. I desactivated it then from the extension's preferences... Now i have no more problems with it on my Safari 5.1.2 on MAC OSX 10.6.8 with "Use multi-process windows" turned on. I sent a message to the dev few minutes ago to inform him about the issue.


Regards


00765

May 29, 2012 8:15 AM in response to James Cohen

"I really am saddened by Apple's lack of interest in this problem. Apple becomes the new Microsoft. yuck."


Absolutely! I totally agree! Apple service is getting real worse these days! The Safari bug is known for many months, but nothing, absoluty nothing ! happens to solve this issue!


There are many other things coming to my mind, which remind me on MS. Nowadays Apple seems only to be focused on counting their money they made within the last years. They don't care for their customers anymore. It's sad... 😠

Safari 5.1 under 10.6.8: various issues (responsability, scrolling, etc)

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