How do I uninstall Lion

I would have to go with Apple here. Like other posters have iterated, Apple develops the operating system and hardware (not so much the hardware, but anyway...), the third party programs which run on top of that system are the responsibility of those developers. It is also the user's responsibility to consider whether an upgrade is appropriate for their use case. I am a big believer in "if it is not broken, don't fix it". If CS# was working under 10.6, then leave it alone. It seems as if the purpose there was content creation with Adobe CS, not running the latest version of Mac OS X. That point should come first in considering any operating system upgrade, Mac or whatever else. The Windows admins live by that principle to the extent that most will not adopt a new version of the OS until SP1 has been released. Many of the shops I have worked in, NEVER upgrade the client OS without upgrading the hardware along with it.

My experience with Adobe software has given me more gray hairs than dealing with OS X. For me, Adobe is the software you update...

Yeah, Micah D. is obviously an apologetic for Apple and has no valuable insight other than to rant on about what he percieves as a slight against his beloved OS developer.

Here is a useful tid-bit for anyone else on here that is having trouble with the slowness of menues and the like... especially for Adobe Products, but also for many other software packages that use the same techologies (I found out about this through Runtime DNA's Smith Micro Poser 2012 release thread found here:

http://www.runtimedna.com/forum/showthread.php?64504-I-am-extremely-underwhelmed .-%28Censored-accidental-partial-nudity%29&p=623462#post623462

Aparently Poser is having similar issues operating under Lion.

Adobe has been working on an update to Adobe Air and they have a new pre-release candidate for v.3, which can be found here:

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplatformruntimes/

I have installed it (it IS a Beta pre-release as of 9/6/11) and it seems to help a lot. I also updated my Flash to the pre-release of v.11 found there as well, and that seems to help Firefox quite a bit.

Frankly, I still think it would have been simple (and wise) for Apple to have provided a means to (at the very least), allow THE OWNER of a new machine to be able to load in whatever OS they wanted (you know, by letting one boot from a previous install disk? Hello?), but aparently they are going very proprietary with the new machines.

Long live the mighty dollar.

I hope this actually HELPS somebody.

Jason Watkins wrote:

Apple develops the operating system and hardware... the third party programs which run on top of that system are the responsibility of those developers.

It is also the user's responsibility to consider whether an upgrade is appropriate for their use case.

THANK YOU! This is exactly what I've been saying... If Adobe creative suites aren't working under OS X Lion that's because of ADOBE's failure, not Apple... so take your complaints to Adobe where they belong. Apple is not in the business of supporting Adobe's customes, Adobe is... being mad is understandable, but please point that anger in the appropriate direction.

And if you were running SL and *chose* to upgrade to Lion, that's on YOU, not Apple. I would never in a million years upgrade to an OS if I had absolutely business-critical software running on my computer that was working perfectly under the previous OS. I'd do what any sensible person should do... wait for compatibility reports and the experiences of others who upgraded.

Of course I also would never, ever ever upgrade to a new OS without at least one fully bootable clone of my previous system... how anyone could do such a thing is beyond me....

mitchbentley wrote:

Yeah, Micah D. is obviously an apologetic for Apple and has no valuable insight other than to rant on about what he percieves as a slight against his beloved OS developer.

Yes, exactly the same way you are apologetic for Adobe failing to update their own software to run on a platform they claim to support. If Adobe wants their software to work for Mac users it's THEIR responsibility to make it work, not Apple's.

Even you yourself have discovered a solution... on Adobe's end, what a surprise! A solution from the people responsible for the original problem, who woulda thunk?

To JasonWatkins: I am not disagreeing with that - except that I was not updating my OS. I bought a new machine and I HAD NO CHOICE. The machine will not let me boot from another install disk. Period.

That IS the OS developer.

For the record, I said I wanted to back-grade, I never once said it was Apple's fault.

I do think Apple should stop this seeming war they have with Adobe though... the end use is the one who is suffering here.

mitchbentley wrote:

To JasonWatkins: I am not disagreeing with that - except that I was not updating my OS. I bought a new machine and I HAD NO CHOICE. AND the machine will not let me boot from another install disk. Period.

THAT IS the OS developer.

On this point I agree with you... the OS developer should provide some level of backwards compatibility, you should be able to do a clean install of SL on your computer, it is after all your property you should be able to install whatever you want on it.

I suspect there are many thousands of folk out there that are running Adobe CS5.5 on Lion without any problems at all. I'm one of them. All the Adobe software runs fast and stable on my Mac Pro with Lion.

It makes me wonder if the problems here are not necessarily problems caused by Adobe, or Apple, but are machine specific. I know people have done clean installs of everything and they still have problems, but there's many times more that don't.

Perhaps it may be something else besides the operating system or Adobe products. Most of us run a lot of apps besides those.

An illustration: I was annoyed with Apple and Safari because I was getting a bunch of boxed/keyboard A's instead of text (threads elsewhere) in Safari web pages. It appears that Apple "sandbox" Safari, whatever that means, but my problem came down to Extensis Suitcase and older postscript fonts. I changed to OpenType and the problem was fixed. But from what I've read that fix was just a fix for MY machine

If I develop problems with CS5.5 I'll look at my whole environment.

You have more of a case there, but I have to ask. Why did you buy? If you bought a new Mac with the intention of installing SL, then it may have been a good idea to ask if that would work. That Mac did not come with SL, so (like many vendors) Apple isn't going to support that configuration option. I wish they would, and I don't think it would be a stretch for them to do so, but that's not the case.

Items like this tend to bring out the creativity in some adept people out there. Dell or HP won't support Windows XP on a machine that was sold retail with Windows 7. Every try to install XP on a machine that shipped with Windows 7? Now that's category five agro.

This is also a result of the OS X platform moving forward. They got rid of Classic and there was a group of folks that railed against the idea. Same for the the switch to Intel-only with 10.6, and the "No Rosetta" in 10.7. This happens on the other side of the pond as well. The forthcoming Windows 8 is doing away with the Win32 API. Every piece of software for Windows, out now, uses that API in some form or another.

I think that you should be able to put SL on your new Mac. The Mac is your property, but if you read the EULA, the OS is not. You are licensing it from Apple.

I bought 2 of the new iMac's for our video production company, for us Lion was terrible. It did not work well with addressbookserver which is a must for us. It was slow on BOTH the new iMacs, and we did not like the extra garbage Apple through in that is essentially useless... Mission Control, and that other stuff.

I was able to get my hands on the SL discs for the 2011 iMacs and I was able to erase and reformat both machines (3.4Ghz and the 2.7Ghz) back into Snow Leopard. Both now run much faster and with no issues. A breath of fresh air. Like I said Lion is the 1st Apple OS I truly dislike. I will be running Snow Leopard until everything comes to a screeching halt!

Also, you can call Apple at 800-SOS-APPL and request a Snow Leopard disc. They sent me one, it took a couple weeks and I ultimately did not use it but they were very nice and helpful.

Maybe this will help you all that want to go back to go forward! ;-)

When a new OS is trumpeted as being the best in the world, I don't think the product purchaser should be the one doing all the background checking and waiting. Perhaps next time they update the OS they should include all the things that are going to run slow, crash etc in the presentaion.

Thgis is the first time I have been annoyed with Apple in 15 years as a user.

Wayne of America wrote:

I suspect there are many thousands of folk out there that are running Adobe CS5.5 on Lion without any problems at all. I'm one of them. All the Adobe software runs fast and stable on my Mac Pro with Lion.

CS5.5? I'm still running CS3, on Lion, no problems

causticinc wrote:

When a new OS is trumpeted as being the best in the world, I don't think the product purchaser should be the one doing all the background checking and waiting.

That's correct. The third party software vendors should be doing the checking and update their programs to run properly on the new OS. If those 3rd party vendors fail to do that then their customers need to complain to them about it... not the OS vendor.

causticinc wrote:

Perhaps next time they update the OS they should include all the things that are going to run slow, crash etc in the presentaion.

That's not only not Apple's responsibility, it's not possible. There are hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions of programs out there, Apple neither can nor should they waste an ounce of resources on checking the compatibily of all those programs and generate a report... even if they tried they'd never find all the problems and then people would just complain about how Apple doesn't do a good enough job of compatibility checks.

OK, how about the big programs then? OK, who decides what's a big program and what isn't, now they have to deal with thousands of people whining and moaning because they programs THEY use didn't get checked...

Nope. It's not the OS vendor's responsibility to check compatibility, it's the consumers responsibility. And it's not the OS vendor's responsibility to make sure programs will work with the new OS.... it's the 3rd party program vendor's responsibility.

Apple provides a platform. If people want their programs to run on that platform it's their OWN responsibility to do so, and if they don't their customers need to complain to them about it... not to the platform vendor.

Dude, what, do you work for Apple?

Listen - the name of this thread/discussion is "How do I uninstall Lion?"

And all you have to offer is beating people over the head with "It's not Apple's fault, it's the developer?"

You really have no clue as to why people are here, do you? They want help and possibly a little understanding.

YOU are NOT helping. You're being a jerk.

'Nuff said.

mitchbentley wrote:

Dude, what, do you work for Apple?

Listen - the name of this thread/discussion is "How do I uninstall Lion?"

And all you have to offer is beating people over the head with "It's not Apple's fault, it's the developer?"

You really have no clue as to why people are here, do you? They want help and possibly a little understanding.

YOU are NOT helping. You're being a jerk.

'Nuff said.

Nope, not an Apple employee, not even really that big a fan-boy, just pointing out in response to yours and other posts that a lot of people are blaming their problems on Lion when the problems are with Adobe, not Lion.

And I would urge you to actually read the rest of the thread yourself before you go around accusing others of not knowing why people are posting here.

People want to downgrade to SL so they can run 3rd party software that hasn't been updated to work with Lion, fine, that topic has been discussed ad nauseum and answered, as well: Get the SL disks (ebay etc.), format your hard drive to Mac OS extended journaled and install SL from the discs. Most likely you will need to mount your new iMac in target disk mode to another mac, so if you only have the one iMac you need to find someone to help you. But it can be done. Problem solved. For a minute. Until Adobe finally releases a Lion-friendly update and you install it without finding out if it will work with SL, and then when it doesn't I suppose you'll be back to bash apple for not supporting your upgrade-downgrade-upgrade path.

You and others keep talking about this all like it's Apple's fault, I'm just providing the counterbalance to that attitude... it's not Apple's fault, it's Adobe's fault. I fully understand people's frustration, I am just pointing out again that it should be with Adobe, not Apple.

If you want to continue to beat your hands on the wrong door and scream in anger up at the wrong window I guess you should go right ahead and do it... but it won't help. Adobe is the culprit here, scream at them.

Hi. I have three questions for you if you don't mind me asking:

1) I have a 3 year old MacBook Pro with the silver keyboard and its main OS at the time was Leopard. Should I downgrade it to Leopard or Snow Leopard?

2) After using CCC to backup all my stuff, how do I apply it back to my soon-to-be downgraded Mac? Do I apply the backup during Leopard/ Snow Leopard installation or after?

3) Will I have compatibility issues when I apply my CCC Lion backup to my brand new Leopard/ Snow Leopard OS?

Thanks.