Regular Expose in Lion

Spaces + Exposé in SL was like a reflex for me. Nothing I've used since has been as fluid. Instead of something being a workflow, it's just in my way. TotalSpaces is in the right direction though, giving it time to be as good as SL was.

I agree. Installed TotalSpaces today and it's very nice - much improved over MC. The fact that the bevel moves with the desktop and disappears so quickly is a little disorienting and like you said, we still can't switch between a single project's/space's windows easily, but at least the total mess of MC is cleaned up, easier to navigate/see, and more usable. To get around the individual desktop/space navigation impasse, I've resumed using Witch, which allows me to switch between all windows in the current desktop, however it looks like it's now a pay-app. I still have the older/free version apparently, and happily, it still works in Lion!

Edit: Whoops. Nope, looks like I have the pay version after all.

hepcat72 wrote:

Edit: Whoops. Nope, looks like I have the pay version after all.

So if you hate the 'total mess' of MC then just be happy to pay for an App that you feel suits your needs more. Not all developers can afford to make their projects free for you. Try supporting them and maybe you will get more options to individualise your system.

Cheers

Pete

I appreciate that petermac, but this is functionality that apple should be providing. They provided it in the past and they claim that MC does everything that Expose and Spaces did and more. Well no, it doesn't. They have radically impacted my productivity with a removal of features that I think is a breach of trust. I have so many complaints about removed features in Lion. I upgraded last month because I was basically forced to to keep *most* of the mobileme functionality. I'm sorry, but all the feature loss has been making me crabby. You're right though. We should support evelopers who fix what other's screw up. That's why I do pay for software, only there's not much more software I need than what Apple already provides. And BTW, all the software I've ever released has been under a free public lisence.

hepcat72 wrote:

I appreciate that petermac, but this is functionality that apple should be providing. They provided it in the past and they claim that MC does everything that Expose and Spaces did and more.

I'd like to read that claim, although I know you can't provide it because they never made such a claim. They replaced the old Spaces with Expose. MC is a new way of doing things. If you don't like it, then find a way to use something else. Even if it means paying someone else to develop the Ap. Just because you have released a free Ap or two does not mean that all developers should. In other words, you wish to tweak a system? then buy the hack. You wish to keep an outdated feature? Then revert to a system that runs it. MC will keep changing over the next few OSXs and then probably be replaced again. That is how all OSs have gone. Mac and Windows.

Good Luck

Pete

I read it in an article today while googling about the topic. But never mind. I'm not going to be trolled by you Pete.

hepcat72 wrote:

I read it in an article today while googling about the topic. But never mind. I'm not going to be trolled by you Pete.

Then send us the link to the article. That is not trolling, that is just requesting that you backup your claim, a claim that is incorrect. I knew you couldn't produce it.

Bye

Pete

well. i tried ml on free disc space last hour. surprisingly it is easy to install and seems to run smoother than lion.

and there are apps like photo booth which only work in fullscreen mode.

i dont know were it was discussed that in mountain lion in system preferences / mission control there would be a checkbox for "group windows by application". well in mission control view ONLY. so there is NO expose function without mission control. only application window mode.

and mission control is still not really able to work with multiple monitors: you still cant put a window from the left monitor to the right in mission control view.

apple really seems to hate older professional users and likes to punish them or gives a **** about them.

http://www.cultofmac.com/182586/revert-mission-control-to-expose-style-in-mounta in-lion-os-x-tips/?utm_medium=twit&utm_campaign=spread-us

Pete

Yes chickinvoodoo, I feel the same way, and so do a lot of other people. Apple used to court academia, espeically biologists, but it looks to me like they are moving away from serving that community. I wish they'd kept a partnership with bioteam to advance their iNquiry cluster portal. It had so much potential, but from the looks of all the dropped features in Lion, they are catering now to a less sophisticated demographic. Here's an example of something which speaks to that which I discovered today when I went to try to get an unknown computer off my wireless network and realized how dumbed down the new airport utility is. All the features I've been discovering that have gone away were really useful features for me that have been around as far back as I can remember. Steve's next big thing was going to be revolutionizing the text book industry and his targets were set on academia. So it seems awfully coincidental that all this feature loss has coincided with the loss of Steve. Steve removed a lot of features too, but not anywhere near this level. I never noticed a loss of a feature other than iWeb until Lion came along. Sure there have been bugs, but the scale of the feature loss in Lion astounds me. Once my feature loss list has settled down, I may publish it somewhere. I've never been really truly upset with Apple until my forced Lion install a month ago.

All old news. You are well and truely over twelve months late to the party. All has been said a thousand times here, you are only mimicking those posts and now we into an whole new OSX and counting. Write as many lists as you wish, but just line them up behind all the other futile ones.

Perhaps just move back to SL? You were never 'forced' to upgrade to Lion.

Good luck

Pete

@hetcat72: i think if you have a kind of demographic view to mac users, today professional users are a very small group.

petermac87: sure you can stay at SL. but maybe you have to upgrade at work, than you are forced by your it department.and on the other hand the security level of SL isnt supported for more than one year.

and yes it is all old stuff. but if you are reliant to it you are really ****** up with that. and it is hard to find a good working alternative to that. if you have to work with mac or you have to use mac only app to earn your money you than your workflow is crashed after changing to lion. and the crazy thing is apple dont care about it and we talk about a feater which was a 500 kb plugin in leopard.

i can be happy that i dont do any creative suite anymore than some yrs ago. that would be horrible. and still after one year of lion i still feel handicapped.

the people around any forums complaining about the loss of old expose and old spaces are really in trouble. if it is new or not is unfortuntatelly nor solution

Adobe CS4 and upwards are fully supported under Lion. I use them on a professional level every day without a hiccup. In fact there is not a program I use that won't run under Lion. Just need to update and realize that 8 and10 year old software is too old. It's called technology and happens in every walk of life.

Good luck

Pete

Who said a discussion about getting Exposé back was a waste of time.

Even though it would benefit from being able to see all hidden windows and requires BetterTouchTools to manage gestures, the small step of being able to separate out windows is enough for me to make the move from Snow Leopard.

That said, I hope that others get some of the functionality they need too, even though it might not be relevant to me. This is an issue about the loss of unecessary options, rather than self interest alone.

Bump. Bring back expose, a lot of us really like it.