Restore bounce to Mail in Lion

bndekker wrote:

And to petermac87: start you own thread: I am so happy that Bounce is bounced!

No thanks we don't need another one. Most of you don't understand what you are saying in this one.

http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3498

But believe whatever makes you happy.

You can hack all you want but I highly doubt you will ever see it as a feature in OSX again, and there are only a handful here that either want it or believe that it ever worked.

But Good Luck

Pete

All

Being a newcomer I do appreciate some of the help given, however my 1st experience of this community has put me off for ever. Why such a simple question degenerated in to a fractious and argumentative exchange I just can't comprehend as it is so unnecessary!!

The community is there in part to help people like me who are new to Apple but anyone reading this thread would be unlikely to ever get involved.

Disillusioned from Wiltshire, England

The Bounce feature may not work with some email service providers, and may actually indicate to the originator that your email address is valid.

Consider these alternative ways to manage unsolicited mail messages ("spam") instead of the Bounce feature:

Use Mail's built-in Junk filtering, which can both be set automatically, or be set to learn as you receive mail messages. For more information, see Mac 101: Mail.

@petermac87:

MAY not work with SOME email providers. And for all those others it works fine. Showing up as valid is only a problem if you bounce it to a REAL spammer becasue it confirms they have a "live" one. DO NOT USE BOUNCE FOR SPAM (where spam stands for professionally sent email usually with "no reply" and stuff like that in the return address.)

Mail Help (Mac OS X 10.6): Returning unwanted messages

To discourage someone from sending you messages, you can reject or “bounce” messages from that person, as long as the return address is valid.

bndekker wrote:

The Bounce feature may not work with some email service providers, and may actually indicate to the originator that your email address is valid.

Consider these alternative ways to manage unsolicited mail messages ("spam") instead of the Bounce feature:

Use Mail's built-in Junk filtering, which can both be set automatically, or be set to learn as you receive mail messages. For more information, see Mac 101: Mail.

@petermac87:

MAY not work with SOME email providers. And for all those others it works fine. Showing up as valid is only a problem if you bounce it to a REAL spammer becasue it confirms they have a "live" one. DO NOT USE BOUNCE FOR SPAM (where spam stands for professionally sent email usually with "no reply" and stuff like that in the return address.)

Mail Help (Mac OS X 10.6): Returning unwanted messages

To discourage someone from sending you messages, you can reject or “bounce” messages from that person, as long as the return address is valid.

Your 'underline' is working fine. Good work.

I'll leave you to your absolute non-understanding of the outdated bounce feature.

Pete

@paulebarow

I'm sorry you got in this "bickering". Filter out the threads that try to help. I hope I was one of them. If not; sorry I could not be of help.

Still helpfull from Schoonoord, The Netherlands

Bas

We love the bouncy

Bouncing does server a useful purpose for some people in certain situations. To say it is limited may be true, but to declare it as useless per se is techno-facism.

chipmunk6 wrote:

Bouncing does server a useful purpose for some people in certain situations. To say it is limited may be true, but to declare it as useless per se is techno-facism.

Explain that for us all if you could, just to add some substance to your post.

Thank You

Pete

Pete.

Are you in need of an explanation for yourself, or do you speak for the group, as you imply? Either way, Apple has a history, albeit infrequent, of telling its users what they need rather than listening. Several examples would be;

1) the initial absence of cut and paste on the iPhone

2) the failure to support its own USB modem with 10.7

and our favourite topic here

3) the missing bounce feature in Mail

to name a few. I have a few other issues with Lion but that are not relevant here.

To fail to offer support to those with an existing workflow contingent on such features, is inconsiderate. Apple seems to justify this ommisions for technical reasons of expediency and better practice, but ultimately they are not supporting practices, once considered quite sound, for the sake of what? Progress?

It's one thing to NOT offer domething from the outset - everyone knows where they are, but to pull it for no good reason? Whatever happened to the customer is always right. Of course it ain't so, but if you want to keep a customer, you keep them happy. - Good business practice.

I hope my point is sufficiently clear at this point.

Nice sidestep around the question.

Pete

I'll add my voice to the group requesting email bounce be restored. Most people expect new features to be ADDED to a new release, not existing features REMOVED! How about at least publishing a comprehensive "Release Notes" that warn customers as to what might be missing if they purchase a new release?

I'll add another voice, please Apple do not restore bounce.

MeerkatMac - this is an excellent idea. In broad strokes, Lion has been a let down for me personally although perhaps this is a minority view. I cannot do anything better or easier, only slower or not at all. Other software not being upgraded to remain compatible, to be fair is not Apple's fault, but as an end user, produces the same let down irrespective of cause.

On another point, I think the view taken by some, that their view, which perhaps more technically informed, carries more weight than the view of a less informed user, reflects the fascism I was referring to in an earlier post. Apple gets most things right but not all. This is true of most people.

Csound1 - please I would like to know why you would be against bounce's restoration? Serious question.

chipmunk6 wrote:

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Csound1 - please I would like to know why you would be against bounce's restoration? Serious question.

Spammers do not use their own email address, they use addresses they have spoofed, the real owners of the spoofed addresses are usually (a) innocent, and (b) unaware of this until the spam that you bounce ends up in their inbox, thus making you the spammer.

That's why.

CSound1

Everything you say about spammers is correct. But there are other uses for bounce. I use(d) it for other purposes. I would ask you to accept that people use different features for different purposes. I hope you can see that.