Restore bounce to Mail in Lion

chipmunk6 wrote:

CSound1

Everything you say about spammers is correct. But there are other uses for bounce. I use(d) it for other purposes. I would ask you to accept that people use different features for different purposes. I hope you can see that.

And while I will believe that you never bounce mail unless you know who owns the sending address and can safely assume that it is real, the vast majority do not, and for that reason I pray that bounce will never come back.

So we'll agree to disagree.

The sending of Fake Bounce messages, commonly called backscatter, is reason enough for many server administrators to blacklist the users that do so.

You might get away with it when only used for x-spouses or x-significant others, but that is not adequate reason for any email client to include it. It is irresponsible to use it for SPAM, and the temptation to do so will lead many down the wrong path.

There is a reason that not only Mail, but also Outlook and Outlook Express to name others, leaves this "feature" out!

It you have an Incoming server that will allow you to blacklist certain addresses (which generates a true bounce), then by all means do so. But once it has been accepted by your server, you can only fake it and probably get in trouble.

Ernie

I used your install package to install bounce. Mail doesn't show the bounce button. When I go to the applescript it's there when I try to run it it reports an error. How can I get it to run?

I'm using the latest version of Lion and Mail.

It's a hack. No one gaurenteed it would work.

Pete

Try this.. It works...

Forgot to add.. After installation,look for Bounce in Customize Toolbar and drag it to where you wish in your mail toolbar

http://download.cnet.com/Restore-Bounce-Mail-Button-To-Lions-Mail-app/3000-20429 _4-75629050.html

Message was edited by: luapram

http://www.maclife.com/article/howtos/how_bounce_emails_mac_os_x_mail

Yes, mainly read carefully why bouncing mail is NOT a good idea:

‘Before we begin, we’d like to put a simple note here about why you may not want to bounce emails. Typically, spammers don’t use real email addresses when sending spam messages. When you bounce an email, you really aren’t deterring the spammer, you’re simply filling up the inbox of an innocent bystander whose email address is being used by spammers.’

Don't you think those "innocent bystanders" would appreciate knowing that their email accounts are being used for spam? NOT bouncing their emails just helps the spammers.

No, they are not appreciated -- see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backscatter_(email)

Sending them in excess can get you blacklisted.

Ernie

And being blacklisted by a spamming source is bad why?

You would be blacklisted by your ISP -- they can tell you are the origin of this type of bounce.

See also:

http://www.dontbouncespam.org/

Those who say they want to fool someone they actually know by these false bounces are perhaps unlikely to be taken to task, but for the true SPAM bounced this way, you are at risk.

Ernie

Message was edited by: Ernie Stamper

Meerkat, think a little bit and do not hasten to type before thinking twice: bouncing mail does NOT solve anything, on the contrary, the best solution is to ignore it and trash.

MeerkatMac wrote:

Don't you think those "innocent bystanders" would appreciate knowing that their email accounts are being used for spam? NOT bouncing their emails just helps the spammers.

Don't you think that spamming those "innocent bystanders" is very reprehensibe of you, blacklisting you would help many others.

The idea that someone being notified that a message they didn't intend to send was sent on their behalf would be annoyed at the notification is ludicrous. Who doesn't want to know that their email is being abused? Equally ludicrous is the notion that doing so is spam. If it only happens when unwanted mail arrives, then as long as the source of that unwanted mail discontinues the practice of sending it, then they will not get any more bounced messages. The suggestion that ISPs would blacklist anyone for bouncing spam is just dumb. ISPs routinely return unwanted spam messages from known sources all of the time. Vacation and Out-of-Office are also automated messages that are routinely sent. Would you categorize these as spam too?

The only people helped by preventing everyone from bouncing messages are those that want spammers to believe that their spam campaigns are being successful. I can understand why those who have a vested interest in promoting spam would be vehemently opposed to reinstating this feature.

MeerkatMac wrote:

The idea that someone being notified that a message they didn't intend to send was sent on their behalf would be annoyed at the notification is ludicrous. Who doesn't want to know that their email is being abused? Equally ludicrous is the notion that doing so is spam. If it only happens when unwanted mail arrives, then as long as the source of that unwanted mail discontinues the practice of sending it, then they will not get any more bounced messages. The suggestion that ISPs would blacklist anyone for bouncing spam is just dumb. ISPs routinely return unwanted spam messages from known sources all of the time. Vacation and Out-of-Office are also automated messages that are routinely sent. Would you categorize these as spam too?

The only people helped by preventing everyone from bouncing messages are those that want spammers to believe that their spam campaigns are being successful. I can understand why those who have a vested interest in promoting spam would be vehemently opposed to reinstating this feature.

I am so glad that you deign to share your overwhelming knowledge of this subject. You have been invaluable and richly deserve the accolades aof all those you have helped.

When your email account is hijacked by a spammer you will understand, as of now you display no knowledge of what you speak.