Restore bounce to Mail in Lion

You don't know, you mean.

And the answer is "NO", it is not the same.

Then why would you suggest it?

softwater wrote:

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2. Use Mozilla's Thunderbird.app instead of Mail, and get the 'Mail Redirect' add on

Because 'bounce' and 'redirect' as functions are not the same thing, nor used for the same purpose.

Even if you don't like 'bounce', there's no reason for you to despise 'redirect' , save through ignorance of its intended function.

softwater wrote:

Because 'bounce' and 'redirect' as functions are not the same thing, nor used for the same purpose.

Even if you don't like 'bounce', there's no reason for you to despise 'redirect' , save through ignorance of its intended function.

You suggested Redirect as a replacement for Bounce, not I, and now try to Redirect the post to reflect other than that. I can see your mendacity is unchanged from previous posts I will have no more of you, go play your silly games without me.

In theory, bouncing should not work. I, too, just go my personal experience. I used to get a lot of spam, and now it's been cut back. Also, it made people stop sending me chain mail.

softwater wrote:

Well, I've never used bounce but I still have it in SL. I also get a moderate amount of spam, so I think I'll run a little experiment over the next few weeks and see if bouncing all my spam reduces the weekly rate.

Unlike the incredulous belief in fairys, men-with-beards-in-the-sky, ghosts and supernatural magic, when it comes to computer and computer networks I'm instincitvely on the side of those that say it works in practice.

I've never trusted those that argue purely from theory when it comes to what computers should or should not do. There are too many variables out in the wild for such comfortable simplicities, as anyone who's ever done any coding and used a debugger will tell you.

But let's see. 🙂

I want a "Redirect" button. There is an option in the rules settings, but there is no button!

Mac OS 9000 wrote:

I want a "Redirect" button. There is an option in the rules settings, but there is no button!

There is a button, look in Customize Toolbar for this:

Yawn. FYI:

Redirecting a message is useful when a message is sent to you inadvertently and you want to pass it along to its intended recipient. When the intended recipient replies, the reply will go to the original sender, not to you.

In the Internet's standard e-mail protocolSMTP, a bounce message, also called a Non-Delivery Report/Receipt (NDR), a (failed) Delivery Status Notification (DSN) message, a Non-Delivery Notification (NDN) or simply a bounce, is an automated electronic mail message from a mail system informing the sender of another message about a delivery problem.

Shift-Command-E = redirect (I think...)

Well, I've never had anyone complain or ask why they got an email returned that wasn't from them

Why would you? It's a bounce, and as such will not show that it came from you.

But again, if this is happening, it's not my problem. If your name is spoofed and you get bounced emails from me, that's your problem and up to you to figure out.

That is an extraordinarily selfish and ignorant attitude. If someone's e-mail address is spoofed or hacked, it is in no way their fault. Doing so could help to fill up their mailbox, causing them problems with receiving mail and potentially creating financial difficulties. What if important customer e-mails were missed, for example? To punish them for something they didn't do is ludicrous.

What if bricks were falling off the facade of your apartment building and landing on your deck, and you just threw them back up towards where they came from? You could injure someone who had absolutely nothing to do with the bricks being on your deck. Is that okay? Because the only difference there is that the damage is physical instead of financial.

Dude, how did I never notice this? I've looked 5 times.

Csound1 wrote:

Mac OS 9000 wrote:

I want a "Redirect" button. There is an option in the rules settings, but there is no button!

There is a button, look in Customize Toolbar for this:

To those who said it couldn't and/or shouldn't be done -- the power of USERS will always prevail! Long live user-centric computing (and, yes, as someone who lives and breaths computing and programming let me assure you this is a VERY useful and effective capability in many instances).

* Note: I have sucesssfully tested this on OS X Lion (10.7) and OS X Mountain Lion (10.8) Developer Preview 1 through 3 *. Credit goes to Kevin at Techie Manager for the original code.

1. Run the automator

2. Make a new service (or application)

3. In the drop down menus select “no input” in “Mail” in the main window

4. Drag “Get Selected Mail Messages” into the workflow from the pane on the left

5. Drag “Run Applescript” into the workflow

6. Insert the following code:

on run {input, parameters}

tell application "Mail"

repeat with eachMessage in input

bounce eachMessage

end repeat

end tell

end run

7. Save as "Bounce it Right Back!!!!" or anything you like.

8a. In Mail, select a message. Click the “Mail” menu up top--> “Services”-->"Bounce it Right Back!!!!". The message will bounce =)

8b. This is useful for many situations (e.g. ex-boyfriend keeps writing you, you can't deal with a message at the moment, you're on a stubborn mail list) but if it's spam and your bounce bounces back then get the raw source of the message, copy it, and go paste it as a report at www.spamcop.net

9. Come back to this thread and be supportive 🙂 of myself and the original poster

10. Have a great day!

Spammer. It's pests like you that Apple tried extinguishing when they did everyone a favor and dumped Bounce. What next? A lesson in Freelance Hacking?

Pete

@jasonfromcorvallis thank you very much! You've just made my day! 🙂

jasonfromcorvallis wrote:

Long live user-centric computing

Yes, that's the idea of a support community; helping others to achieve their aims. Unfortunately, there's some on ASC (you know who they are), who think that only their narrow outlook is acceptable.

Just a point of order, I might as well mention before someone else does: you can't assume it will work on Mountain Lion even if you've tested it on the beta. The final release might break it. Secondly, as someone from the forum police will no doubt soon pipe up to tell you, you are probably in violation of your NDA by mentioning ML on here. It would be a shame if the mods remove your useful procedure on account of that, so be ready to repost it with the offending mentions removed in case they do.

Oh, and though I don't use the bounce feature mysef, good work. Some people want it, and you've found a way to help them. 🙂