Restore bounce to Mail in Lion

Mac 101 - Apple

Alex Zavatone wrote:

Peter - You're missing the point and you replied with a diatribe I don't care about.

The POINT IS that Apple gave us a bounce tool.

So what, your Gran would have put lead in your eyeballs to make them shine not so long ago, it was a bad idea and it was stopped. Just like bounce.

You're smart enough to know the effects so I can only assume that mendacity is your aim.

My theory, right or wrong, is that Apple, nor Microsoft, et al, will ever explain why "bounce" is no longer offered, because to do so would provide a road map to being sued for having provided it previously, and thereby contributing to backscatter spam.

There was no way to remove it from older versions of OSX, mostly installed already, but they could simply and quietly take it out of the newer systems.

Btw, I remember when I first got messages that appeared to be from someone I didn't know, that I could look in the Long Headers and find out what friend's PC was infected, and alert them. That hasn't been possible with latest exploits at all. The world changed and the old theory of bouncy junk was invalidated.

Ernie

I've read all this stuff the naysayers keep mentioning about issues like backscatter places like http://www.rackaid.com/resources/how-to-stop-email-backscatter/ but that's really not about this former feature; that's about automated bouncing and it would happen if someone sends a message to an address that blocks automatically certain messages and the Reply To is also a spoof so the person in the Reply To winds up getting it.

Darpa just use the third party Restore Bounce button for when you KNOW the sender and you know they are not hijacked/spoofed mails but are people you personally have been dealing with who will not stop emailing you after you ask them to stop it. That's the way to use it properly. It's best used with annoying harassing messages from a known sender who disregards requests to stop receving mail, not for "spam" (advertisements). It's not from the occasional times people selectively use a manual bounce feature. We use that for known senders, not spoofs.

If you think someone has had their account spoofed and you get an advertising spam, you will need to try some other way because bouncing will not help. I suppose you could bounce once just to get the person's attention they have been spoofed or else write them a note letting them know their account is being used as a spam address (the latter of which option might let them think the spam got through if they are actually a spammer and not spoofed). But I would definitely not repeatedly use Bounce to respond to an advertising spam since they are usually spoofed. Just use it for KNOWN senders that won't stop messaging any other way (who are not sending advertising spams).

I'm very relieved the third party download exists and hope apple will restore it eventually since it's NOT what is causing "backscatter" spam - that's being done by automated bounces, not manual ones.

Please stop your spamming.

please cease the name calling, harassing and trolling.

I really appreciate your cogent, helpful and most of all... sane post. -Joan

Ditto Postbox 3.0. SSv is better now than ever. I can't think of anything to complain about. That's rare, that's very rare. 🙂

Don't listen to the disgruntled forum police like petermac, csound & ct. I really haven't used bounce in a long time, but the 2 or 3 times I used it, it worked, and that person never emailed me again.

If you're using bounce for spam, you're doing it wrong. This is a great feature to use in some scenarios though.

A feature that doesn't exist? Do you lose sleep over this? You appear to be the only one who does.

Cheers

Pete

Still passive aggressive on the internet I see... Same old petermac.

The flaming and taunting that the people heckling the original post and heckling any people attempting to respond supportively with help to the OP have been doing is contrary to the Terms of Service agreement and regardless of how many points a poster has accumulated answering in other threads less snidely they are not more entitled to flame people than are less active members. The heckling is forcing people to go off topic to respond defensively to the attacks on the post. This thread should have been closed by now if the original poster marked it answered. We can bring it back up if the current Restore Bounce app stops being current but it works with the latest version of Mail and I have it installed.

The original post did not ask for a poll on whether people liked Bounce. All the heckling has been off topic flaming and should cease as should feeding the trolls by acknowledging them. It just brings them back in. Please let's retire this thread until the bounce restore app we all located isn't available for download on the web or isn't working with a future OS.

The original post asked how to restore bounce, it was answered, there is no supported method and as this is an Apple site unsupported methods are not relevant (here)

Since then all there is left is noise from those who don't like the company line, and noise from those who are tired of them.

It's supported through an automator script. I haven't seen Apple remove this thread so all your negativity and insults are only giving this thread more attention.

No this is not Apple Tech Support. It's a user forum and we have every right to answer a user who posts a question about where they might find a way to do something with their Mac. The people answering with what someone called the "company line" can't do that unless they work for Apple and Apple tech support has told me no one in this forum speaks for Apple. If you are the people at Apple who helped remove the functionality, the heckling you keep doing of people who aided the original poster speaks poorly of Apple because it shows they don't care that users want a feature and want to muzzle anyone asking in a user forum about how to do something.

If you don't like a user's question them go to a thread you LIKE and leave us alone. The harassment of users by people posing as Apple employees is really aggravating and promotes a feeling of hostility towards Apple and in this message board, not good will.

The thread has been answered by supportive people I think, and needs to end to retire this irritating squabbling by people on a high horse about what questions we can ask.