Bring back old working Spaces and Expose

Mission Control is a complete misfire and several steps backwards in design and usability. They took something that was beautifully simple and nearly flawless and turned it into a chaotic mess for no reason.


I was a heavy user of Spaces and Expose and it was easily my favorite OS X feature hands down. Now it's been three days of Lion and I just avoid Mission Control at all costs and find myself switching apps instead, something I would expect from Microsoft, not Apple.


Trying to understand how to use MC without going insane I started simply swithing apps instead of thinking about spaces, and at least that made some sense, but there was still a lot of unnecessary changing of spaces back and forth for no reason. It dawned on me to try something: I killed all Spaces and have a single desktop with every window. You know, like Windows would do. As a testament of what a terrible idea MC is, it works a lot better this way. When you do Expose you can at least understand what you're looking at, and you don't care that the tiny Space thumbnail is being covered up by your windows. There's also no unnecessary shuffling between spaces. It's an obviously cluttered, primitive, step back in sophistication and usability that almost makes me wish I had Vista's Flip 3D, but at least I am not spending half of my time jumping between spaces and hunting down lost windows.


Here's some of the issues with Mission Control:


- It's visually confusing and messy. The application windows usually cover the Spaces thumbnails along the top. What is the point of showing me the Spaces if they're covered up with windows? Isn't that defeating the very point of Mission Control? Why do I need to see my desktop background inset within *another* background in MC? Why are the Windows stacked so tightly and messily? It's impossible to pick the window you want unless you do "App Expose". What is the point of having Spaces previews if they're so tiny you can barely see what it's in them anyway? They used to be nice, clean, large previews. Now it's a stupid mess of tiny thumbnails with drop shadows, text labels, multiple backgrounds, being covered by app windows... ugh.


- The fact that they are now a linear row of spaces along the top is clearly much less user friendly than the old grid method, which was spatially and visualy easy to use and memorize. Now I have to think about numbers for desktops instead of "up" or "down". You know how much easier it is to type numbers on a keypad versus pecking the linear numbers along the top of your keyboard? Same thing. Also, you could go into the old Spaces and accurately hit the Space you want to go to because they were huge, easy to read and remember targets. Now they're tiny, hard to remember and usually hidden under something else.


- It took the advantages of both Spaces and Expose and eliminated them in order to merge them, who knows why. You used to be able to go into Spaces, and then Expose while there to reveal every window, and find *any* open window in seconds. Now it's impossible. You have to shuffle haplessly through spaces and hit expose and hope the window you're looking for shows up, and if that fails, which happens often, then you have to switch to every application and hit app expose. What a mess.


Easy solution: Just bring back the old Spaces and Expose, maybe as an option to MC. Or at least give us the option fo a grid layout and old style Expose. Please. Please. Please.

Mac OS X (10.6.7)

Posted on Jul 23, 2011 12:49 AM

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Jul 5, 2013 3:02 PM in response to petermac87

Just because they made a mistake does not mean that Apple cannot correct it. That's the same argument that kept people in slavery - we have always done it this way. It's not a valid argument.


I use the old OSX when I can but I recognize that is limited and eventually it will go away. Apple is alienating scientists and others who like their platform by degrading it. They risk losing that market to Linux.


You have not responded to my points.

Jul 5, 2013 3:51 PM in response to TomDSchneider

TomDSchneider wrote:


Just because they made a mistake does not mean that Apple cannot correct it. That's the same argument that kept people in slavery - we have always done it this way. It's not a valid argument.



Slavery and Spaces? That is a very sick comparison! Very sick! Pretty much sums up your reputation, imo.


I use the old OSX when I can but I recognize that is limited and eventually it will go away. Apple is alienating scientists and others who like their platform by degrading it. They risk losing that market to Linux.


Links to your sources please. Thank you.


You have not responded to my points.


Not the ill-informed ones. Not the ridiculous ones. Not the ones you made up. Were there others?



Cheers and good luck with other posters with your 'Slavery' comparisons. That really is sick, you know.


Pete

Jul 5, 2013 4:26 PM in response to petermac87

I don't express opinions : I express facts. My seniority and credentials allow me to make such statements.


My job is to design software for facilities and machines and that manufacture chips that end up in Macs, iPads, iPhone, printers, etc (including Apple's competitors). And all of us here have such components on their desks. I've been doing this for nearly 30 years.


The first computer I had the hands on had ferrite cores for memory and SPST switches for keyboard. I'm happy this times are gone and since then, I've known many many other systems, including NeXTSTEP (little here can say so). Enough to be entitled to define what's useful and what's not for my work.


It's fine with me if Apple wants to make the move to turn all of it's Mac line into iPads small or big, as long as it leaves me the options to use the tools that allows me to get my job done. But I'm not running behind the sheep in front of me like some do here, bowing in front of the next new trick out of the hat ... because it's "new".


It's a fact. Apple has left engineers like myself on the side. It's their choice and it doesn't suit me. What counts to me is that I was still buying Macintoshes during the years no one was betting a dime on the brand. I can say "I was there".



It's impressive to see how people become odious and even insulting when they realize that what they praise is not praised by others. It requires to be reported.

Jul 5, 2013 4:36 PM in response to Thierry de Villeneuve

Thierry de Villeneuve wrote:


I don't express opinions : I express facts. My seniority and credentials allow me to make such statements.



So I can see by all the facts and evidence you provide. Not to be rude, but I really do not care. 😉


There are two of you here that seriously need to return to a system you can use. I think 10.7 is above your IQ level.


Pete

Jul 6, 2013 5:03 AM in response to petermac87

petermac87 wrote:



There are two of you here that seriously need to return to a system you can use. I think 10.7 is above your IQ level.


Pete


Sir. This is an insult and I shall not tolerate it. I'll report it because it's an infrigment to the Tems of Use whose link is set in the footer of each page.


If you can't make your point without resorting to insulting your party then you aren't worth this place you claim defenfing the positions of the Apple Company ... who hasn't entitled you of representing them.


You haven't brought one single technical argument. Gloating about "future is better" is not a technical argument.


From what I've seen, it seems to me that you have nothing much to do of your time besides trying to get some credentials from being rude with people that - evidently - have more knowledge than you have, and come across your scheme.


You're a nuisance rather than a help to the community.


Thierry

Jul 6, 2013 8:40 AM in response to TomDSchneider

Pete's goal is to get this thread closed.

He got close to this once, when the moderator removed quite a chunk of Pete vs. the Upset Reasonable People's posts. To any new person coming to this thread, our answers to Pete's posts may also obscure what the discussion really is about. So, altogether I think we should ignore Pete. Totally. No matter what insanely brilliantly clever sharp sting he'd post.

Jul 7, 2013 12:03 AM in response to DaveSpencer

Thanks for the support David.


I have a technical question. TotalSpaces works, but unfortunately

it's clumsy (slow but jumpy graphics) compared to the original smooth

Spaces/Expose. Still, it does provide a sensible rectangular array of

spaces to work with.


Nevertheless, I'm forced to use it on one of my computers but Expose

only works when all Spaces are showing. I have carefully avoided OS X

8 because of this fiasco, but I suspect that in OS X 8 one can get the

Expose for a single Space at a time. Is that true? (Mission Control

is useless for looking at 20 windows simultaneously so it does not

count at all for this question.)

Jul 7, 2013 12:18 AM in response to DaveSpencer

DaveSpencer wrote:



Note to resident troll: do not bother responding in your usual child like manner as I am not interested in your pathetic rubbish.

Still losing sleep over this after two years Dave? 🙂


You really should unsubscribe to this thread. 😉


The original question has been answered. Just can't seem to get some users to accept reality.


Very sad.😟


Cheers


Pete

Jul 7, 2013 1:36 PM in response to petermac87

Cut the obnoxious talk Peter. You waste your time doing so, and it's bad for your blood pressure. I did not think to do that particular google search. So thanks for pointing it out. The second link gives a video which demonstrates what the new Expose does. It does not tile the windows over the entire screen. So if I have 16 terminals and web pages up, they will be smaller than they could be. This is therefore still a failure by Apple.

Jul 7, 2013 1:50 PM in response to TomDSchneider

TomDSchneider wrote:


I did not think to do that particular google search.



Why would I not be surprised, as you were needing to Google expose and....um....mountain lion.


The second link gives a video which demonstrates what the new Expose does. It does not tile the windows over the entire screen. So if I have 16 terminals and web pages up, they will be smaller than they could be. This is therefore still a failure by Apple.

Then you are doing it wrong or have never used Expose properly.


http://www.extensions.in.th/amitiae/08_2012_2/mission.html


Cheers


Pete

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