Bring back old working Spaces and Expose

Mission Control is a complete misfire and several steps backwards in design and usability. They took something that was beautifully simple and nearly flawless and turned it into a chaotic mess for no reason.


I was a heavy user of Spaces and Expose and it was easily my favorite OS X feature hands down. Now it's been three days of Lion and I just avoid Mission Control at all costs and find myself switching apps instead, something I would expect from Microsoft, not Apple.


Trying to understand how to use MC without going insane I started simply swithing apps instead of thinking about spaces, and at least that made some sense, but there was still a lot of unnecessary changing of spaces back and forth for no reason. It dawned on me to try something: I killed all Spaces and have a single desktop with every window. You know, like Windows would do. As a testament of what a terrible idea MC is, it works a lot better this way. When you do Expose you can at least understand what you're looking at, and you don't care that the tiny Space thumbnail is being covered up by your windows. There's also no unnecessary shuffling between spaces. It's an obviously cluttered, primitive, step back in sophistication and usability that almost makes me wish I had Vista's Flip 3D, but at least I am not spending half of my time jumping between spaces and hunting down lost windows.


Here's some of the issues with Mission Control:


- It's visually confusing and messy. The application windows usually cover the Spaces thumbnails along the top. What is the point of showing me the Spaces if they're covered up with windows? Isn't that defeating the very point of Mission Control? Why do I need to see my desktop background inset within *another* background in MC? Why are the Windows stacked so tightly and messily? It's impossible to pick the window you want unless you do "App Expose". What is the point of having Spaces previews if they're so tiny you can barely see what it's in them anyway? They used to be nice, clean, large previews. Now it's a stupid mess of tiny thumbnails with drop shadows, text labels, multiple backgrounds, being covered by app windows... ugh.


- The fact that they are now a linear row of spaces along the top is clearly much less user friendly than the old grid method, which was spatially and visualy easy to use and memorize. Now I have to think about numbers for desktops instead of "up" or "down". You know how much easier it is to type numbers on a keypad versus pecking the linear numbers along the top of your keyboard? Same thing. Also, you could go into the old Spaces and accurately hit the Space you want to go to because they were huge, easy to read and remember targets. Now they're tiny, hard to remember and usually hidden under something else.


- It took the advantages of both Spaces and Expose and eliminated them in order to merge them, who knows why. You used to be able to go into Spaces, and then Expose while there to reveal every window, and find *any* open window in seconds. Now it's impossible. You have to shuffle haplessly through spaces and hit expose and hope the window you're looking for shows up, and if that fails, which happens often, then you have to switch to every application and hit app expose. What a mess.


Easy solution: Just bring back the old Spaces and Expose, maybe as an option to MC. Or at least give us the option fo a grid layout and old style Expose. Please. Please. Please.

Mac OS X (10.6.7)

Posted on Jul 23, 2011 12:49 AM

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Aug 14, 2011 12:14 PM in response to woodmeister50

Interesting to see how after several of us describing patiently and logically why the old system worked better, all we get from a mission control fan is some kind of angry and pointless argument...basically saying linux is so flexible we can choose anything, except we can't choose what we want because that's gone "kaput. Very smart answer!


Enjoy your oversized iphone filled with cheap visual tricks, which used to be a mac computer...

Aug 19, 2011 3:52 PM in response to tmsnnnz

In addition to the issues I outlined in the original post - is anyone else also experiencing Mission Control crashes? On top of being a mediocre user experience, the things crashes my machine roughly 2-3 times a week. Nothing in particular triggers it, just moments when I have a lot of apps and windows open, I will go into Mission Control, and my Mac will just freeze. I can move the pointer but I can't force quit anything and can never get back to the finder. Nothing can be done but force a shutdown by holding down the power button.


As an added note - After restarting, my Mac crashes a second time in a row as it tries to open all the previous apps and windows and that makes it hang again. I have to restart a third time when Lion finally figures out it shouldn't open all the windows. Then it works again.

Sep 10, 2011 9:51 AM in response to tmsnnnz

I think Mission Control is nice, but agree that the option for the previous way expose worked to be available for power users. I too have that as part of my daily workflow routine, it helped me fly through projects with less 'pick n' grab'.


I'm not really complaining that MC is horrid, it's just not that helpful for what I need.


Perhaps if Apple doesn't or won't bring it back, perhaps some 3rd party software company can, through their own software.


Right now I have a quasi-fix using a mapping program for my mouse (since I had 2 expose keys tied to the buttons I never used on my mouse.)


Even if it was a 99 cent fix on the app store, I'd buy it. But in all seriousness, if Apple has it in them to hear our cries for help, please, on the behalf of all users who would like this added back in as an option - please restore our functionality for this.


Thanks if Apple is listening. If not, Thank you to whatever software company puts this functionality/option back in.


Cheers!

Sep 23, 2011 3:21 AM in response to tmsnnnz

I have been using Apples and Macs since the '70s. Lion is the first system that has been a step backwards. I am so disappointed and am thinking of handing my MacBook Pro to my wife and continuing with Snow Leopard on my old MacBook. What happened to the absolutely brilliant Expose? Lion is hard work for less result. It is cumbersome and a real disappointment to know that Mac appear to have finally peaked design wise and are going downhill.

Sep 23, 2011 7:23 AM in response to tmsnnnz

I wish I read this before I "downgraded" from Snow Leopard to Lion.

I used Expose all the time - one key click to show all my open windows on all apps.

I hope someone develops a third party app to give me my old Expose.


I can't believe that Apple would go backwards - this is like a Vista moment.

I can't decide if I will go back to Snow Leopard or partition it on Lion.

Oct 20, 2011 2:37 PM in response to tmsnnnz

Totally agree, expose+spaces in its slick mac implementation was the best windowmanager on any system, surprising me in allowing my mbp 1280x800 screen to punch above its weight in screenspace, elsewhere I could only code productively with dual screens on a desktop machine.


Mission Control is a step backwards because there are situations where it actually reduces the screenspace devoted to usefull information.


Expose+Spaces combined were greater than the sum of their parts because it let you group windows by function (e.g. documentation & source files for one module), giving you 2 'zoom levels' of overview and a method of grouping/bookmarking. It's superior to the linux implementations e.g. unity/gnome-shell where they always make desk overview simultaneously enable the expose-clone.


For coding using the windowmanager to keep more things open is more intuitive than using any other bookmarking scheme for which seperate hotkeys/menu items must be learned.


I imagine users of image editors & graphical software would have similar issues to programmers if not more so, having large effective space and ability to spread things out and arrange them spatially would have been great for them I'm sure.


the only thing I would do to improve the former behaviour is maybe allow 2 hits of the same gesture (downswipe) do both (i.e. first swipe = desk overview, second swipe= expose, and you pick the one you use most as the first swipe). I also had an idea to show increasing numbers of desks 'mipmap' style, recent ones occupying more space, but I think that idea will be more apreciated in the Linux world I think ...


I can see the motivation was switching between fullscreen applications, but couldn't the Dock have acheived this ? it seems there are now multiple ways of viewing by app, and they got rid of expose/spaces which can solve another problem i.e. manual grouping.

Nov 2, 2011 3:03 PM in response to KC350

I never used Spaces. Couldn't stand it. Very annoying. Loved Expose, so now I find Mission Control as one of the best features of Lion. Absolutely love it. Can you hear me Apple? Can you....oh this is a user forum, sorry.


I will give positive feedback to Apple on this, a job well done.


I am entitled to my opinion am I not? Or only if it is negative?


Cheers

Nov 2, 2011 3:21 PM in response to Neil from Oz

Did somebody say you're not entitled to your opinion?


Opinions are great, but you're not explaining how you think it's so much better than Spaces. I gave a few solid reasons in the opening post - not just opinion but obvious usability oriented points like "a bigger image preview is easier to read than a tiny one" and "muscle memory is faster than remembering numbers" and "simplicity trumps complexity, and Apple usually went for simplicity until now", etc.

Nov 2, 2011 3:34 PM in response to tmsnnnz

Sorry, my vocabulary doesn't match yours. I find Mission Control so easy to use. Always had hiccups with spaces and the bugginess of the concept. Now with a quick flick of the cursor up to the left hand corner, I have complete access to every application and every workspace I have open. Smooth, uncomplicated and a pleasure to use. Solid enough reason for me to give MC positive feedback and put my Snow Leopard disk into storage. Maybe it doesn't suit you, but it certainly suits many others. Otherwise Lion wouldn't be selling the millions of downloads it is selling.


Cheers

Nov 2, 2011 4:17 PM in response to Neil from Oz

Neil, Lion sells millions because Apple sells it as an upgrade from Snow Leopard. Truth is.. Lion *** and is really a downgrade. You may like MC for it's simplicity.. but in today's world if you want simplicity just get a tablet because desktop are use for complex tasks. The problem that I find with MC is exactly that.. is too simple, I know this is Apple's goal on every product but they went too far with MC, it feels like an OS made for a 10 year old boy. Now, performance wise, they went down hard. I have a 27 inch screen an even with this size I can't tell where those tiny windows are until I click on them, then.. you can't drag a window inside them.. I also have to go full screen. (this is not only a waste of time but most importantly.. it makes a mess in the organization of my iMac, a complete mess). With Spaces, you had 9 big screen spaces with windows you could actually handle without going to that space full screen. There is also the wallpaper mess ..1 for each window.. who was the genious that thought of that with no option to have 1 wallpaper for all windows ? really genious.


Remember, most of us don't want MC to go away (so you kids are happy being simply), what we want is an option for power users to be able to use Spaces again, as an option.

Nov 2, 2011 4:28 PM in response to casarboleda

casarboleda wrote:


Neil, Lion sells millions because Apple sells it as an upgrade from Snow Leopard. Truth is.. Lion *** and is really a downgrade.


Remember, most of us don't want MC to go away (so you kids are happy being simply), what we want is an option for power users to be able to use Spaces again, as an option.

Says you. But you too can have an opinion as I can. Most of who? The extreme minority who come here with problems? Or the millions who don't?


You have no idea how I or most others use our Macs, Mr. 'Power User'. So I will happily stay with my opinion and recommend Lion and MC to anyone who asks. You are entitled to do the opposite.


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