Bring back old working Spaces and Expose

Mission Control is a complete misfire and several steps backwards in design and usability. They took something that was beautifully simple and nearly flawless and turned it into a chaotic mess for no reason.


I was a heavy user of Spaces and Expose and it was easily my favorite OS X feature hands down. Now it's been three days of Lion and I just avoid Mission Control at all costs and find myself switching apps instead, something I would expect from Microsoft, not Apple.


Trying to understand how to use MC without going insane I started simply swithing apps instead of thinking about spaces, and at least that made some sense, but there was still a lot of unnecessary changing of spaces back and forth for no reason. It dawned on me to try something: I killed all Spaces and have a single desktop with every window. You know, like Windows would do. As a testament of what a terrible idea MC is, it works a lot better this way. When you do Expose you can at least understand what you're looking at, and you don't care that the tiny Space thumbnail is being covered up by your windows. There's also no unnecessary shuffling between spaces. It's an obviously cluttered, primitive, step back in sophistication and usability that almost makes me wish I had Vista's Flip 3D, but at least I am not spending half of my time jumping between spaces and hunting down lost windows.


Here's some of the issues with Mission Control:


- It's visually confusing and messy. The application windows usually cover the Spaces thumbnails along the top. What is the point of showing me the Spaces if they're covered up with windows? Isn't that defeating the very point of Mission Control? Why do I need to see my desktop background inset within *another* background in MC? Why are the Windows stacked so tightly and messily? It's impossible to pick the window you want unless you do "App Expose". What is the point of having Spaces previews if they're so tiny you can barely see what it's in them anyway? They used to be nice, clean, large previews. Now it's a stupid mess of tiny thumbnails with drop shadows, text labels, multiple backgrounds, being covered by app windows... ugh.


- The fact that they are now a linear row of spaces along the top is clearly much less user friendly than the old grid method, which was spatially and visualy easy to use and memorize. Now I have to think about numbers for desktops instead of "up" or "down". You know how much easier it is to type numbers on a keypad versus pecking the linear numbers along the top of your keyboard? Same thing. Also, you could go into the old Spaces and accurately hit the Space you want to go to because they were huge, easy to read and remember targets. Now they're tiny, hard to remember and usually hidden under something else.


- It took the advantages of both Spaces and Expose and eliminated them in order to merge them, who knows why. You used to be able to go into Spaces, and then Expose while there to reveal every window, and find *any* open window in seconds. Now it's impossible. You have to shuffle haplessly through spaces and hit expose and hope the window you're looking for shows up, and if that fails, which happens often, then you have to switch to every application and hit app expose. What a mess.


Easy solution: Just bring back the old Spaces and Expose, maybe as an option to MC. Or at least give us the option fo a grid layout and old style Expose. Please. Please. Please.

Mac OS X (10.6.7)

Posted on Jul 23, 2011 12:49 AM

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Nov 2, 2011 4:38 PM in response to Neil from Oz

No one wants to change your opinion Neil, you are entitle to express it just like the rest of us. You ask Most of who?, when I say most of us means inside this Post, have you even read the 6 pages of this post? there is just one person who shares your thought out of 50 aprox. So yes, most of us (in this post) don't agree with you. I seriously doubt you'll use your Mac for more than navigating & checking Emails when you love MC.


Happy days to you 2,

from Mr. Power user

Nov 2, 2011 4:43 PM in response to casarboleda

casarboleda wrote:


there is just one person who shares your thought out of 50 aprox. So yes, most of us (in this post) don't agree with you. I seriously doubt you'll use your Mac for more than navigating & checking Emails when you love MC.


Happy days to you 2,

from Mr. Power user

Ouch! 50 people. I didn't realise. Well it is time that Apple listened to the demands of the majority! lol


Now got to navigate and check my emails and look at MC again.


Power to the User


Cheers

Nov 2, 2011 5:55 PM in response to tmsnnnz

It's true, Neil. Apple is forgetting professionals. I use a lot of applications at the same time and I need old exposé to search and switch to the window I need in the instant. I recently bought my first Intel Mac and I thought it would be great, but suddenly I realized that the computer with Lion was only a toy. I supposed that I could install Snow Leopard on it, but the reality was other. Now, I'm using an exposé-like shareware on Winblowz called Switcher and it works better for me than Mission Control. Apple, please bring back old exposé as an option for professionals.

Nov 2, 2011 6:51 PM in response to tmsnnnz

Okay there will always be different preferences, likes and dislikes about Expose, Spaces, and MC.


This is a disscussion you can free comment about whether you like it or not. Not a debate about which is better.


But the thread was started up for all those power users out there who rely heavily on Spaces to comment and hopefully Apple would be nice enough to actually build a option into Lion which allows us to choose between Spaces or MC.


Apple!!?? Will you listen to the minority pleas? I think I can speak for everyone in this thread, that " this is not a case of where MC needs to die for Spaces to come back or Spaces need to die for MC to thrive. We just want the option to be able to choose between the 2. For power users we can use Spaces, For simple users they can use MC. So Apple... would you be kind enough to bring in that option?


Personal look at it..... No. It would look like our pleas will be unanswered. Simply due to one reason, Lion is a OS built as a stepping stone for the future Apple Desktop Touch Screen products. Signs of moving to Touch Screen Desktop or Hybrid Tablet/Laptops. Launch Pad is one major give away. Take Windows 7 and their gigantic Grided Icons, stepping stone into Windows 8 touch environment. Lion is doing the exact same thing.


I work at a college where 99% of our computers here are MAC's. We have been getting alot of mixed feed back from our staffs and students in regards to Snow Leopard VS Lion. Truthfully we have about 65% of the our feedbacks indicating that they prefer MC over Spaces because of its simplicity and a very straight forward self explantory how to use. However, the 35% who expressed their dislikes about MC raised very legitimate points such as not being able to move apps directly from one desktop to another without having to select one of them as your main desktop first.


Our solution was to keep most of our heavy usage and technicial labs still running Snow Leopard and our general labs such as the library running Lion.


My personal preference is Spaces over MC.

Nov 15, 2011 12:07 PM in response to tmsnnnz

If Apple would allow us to label the desktops instead of them just being numbered, that would help a bit. But, I agree, we must have our spaces back. The thumbnails are tiny and not user friendly. It helps when you click for them to not authomatically reorganize themselves so they aren't constantly moving out of order - but again, the data is so very small that it's not usable.

Nov 19, 2011 12:50 PM in response to tmsnnnz

Just another frustrated user who wishes they had the option to use the old interface provided in Snow Leopard for expose/spaces!


MC works fine with one monitor but when you use 3 it's almost useless in comparison to the old way of doing things.


I HATE that you can't drag applications between desktops anymore....instead it moved the whole fricking desktop!


Also, I LOVED having everything on one monitor for a true "birds eye view" instead of having to look across 3 different monitors.


Please give us the option to choose of using the older way - this upgrade is really beginning to annoy me as my workflow's are completely trashed now!

Nov 19, 2011 1:10 PM in response to cosmofromkokomo

@cosmofromkokom -[1] the handling of multiple monitors is actually one respect where i prefer MissionControl: when the screens are varying sizes the zoom out looks a mess, also it keeps the screenspace all usefull.


[2] It CAN move applications between desktops - but only from the currently focussed desktop to one of the others. I do miss the ability to just shuffle windows sideways, like moving through a stack, made it very easy to decide which ones to group.


[3] All they have to do to make it 'as good' as the old way , IMO , is make the current focussed view do 'expose' of al windws on that desktop and remove the App Bundles - much like Gnome3.

Nov 22, 2011 9:22 AM in response to tmsnnnz

Could not agree more with the OP.


I will not wax lyrical about the failings of MC as it has all been said before.


Unfortunately some of the comments in this thread are incredibly infantile (TAKE NOTE CT) and thoroughly unhelpful which is not typical of this forum.


Quite simply MC IS AN ABSOLUTE WASTE OF TIME AND NOTHING OTHER THAN CHANGE FOR CHANGE SAKE! Sorry I'm shouting I will try and calm down. I expect a lot better from Apple. Spaces and Expose worked brilliantly and did not need to be changed for the worse. BRING THEM BACK NOW PLEASE AND GIVE US THE CHOICE !!!!!!!!! Sorry I'm shouting again.


I find some of the postS confusing. Some posters enthuse about MC whilst admitting that they never used S and E. Regular and experienced users of S and E will regard MC as a simplified and unacceptable approach.


Just for the record. I am a massive Apple fan and have never soiled my hands on a PC but certain aspects of Lion have not made me roar with delight !! That is not to say that it is all bad.

Dec 5, 2011 11:32 PM in response to tmsnnnz

I really have no idea why Apple replaced an absolutely perfect solution with one so poor in concept! And by the way: the current mission control is buggy, uggly, no smooth animation, randomly replaced space order and, and, and.


With Lion the Apple tradition ends to update the best OS in the world with an even better one. Lion is Apple's Lista! I want back my good old and absolutely perfect Snow Leopard.


To all: please follow @Spaces_Expose on twitter.

Dec 5, 2011 11:49 PM in response to :joe.

I have a possible explanation, which hit me when I was trying my workaround.

I found that Mission Control gets less bad the more different apps you use. (e.g. I started using regular text editor alongside the IDE ..)


The WEB BROWSER has become a ubiquitous "OS within an OS", and Apple want to fight back against that by keeping you on the desktop.. So, instead of opening lots of WWW windows they want you to have lots of dedicated applications (which may be connected to the internet) instead... keep your use of a real email client instead of gmail, a dedicated youtube viewer pehaps, usenet reader instead of forums, etc..


... they want you making as many different app purchases as possible from the mac appstore.


ok I admit this sounds a little far fetched that it's a deliberate part of their plan as opposed to a simple UI error, but I wouldn't put it past them


i correlate this with Microsoft bringing a sandboxed App Store to the desktop PC - which again makes it easier for people to grab real compiled code across the internet. This might actually be a good thing too more programs written in propper languages instead of interpreted in web pages and on servers controlled by someone else

Dec 6, 2011 12:24 AM in response to walter_l

Walter please stay off the funny cigs and the falling down water! Seriously you have given this way too much thought. The answer is very simple - virtually every Microsoft OS is a virus ridden mess and worse than the last one not that I'm Applephobic you understand! Perhaps we have just come to expect too much and Apple can be forgiven on this occasion for getting Lion wrong. MC is messy to use and Launch Control is simply beyond my comphrehension.It is far quicker to find an app through the good old Finder!

Dec 6, 2011 12:35 AM in response to DaveSpencer

Yep. No conspiracy going on that I can see. Spaces and Expose gone. Mission Control introduced. I have never seen Apple go backwards to reintroduce something they have dropped. It may well be because they are aiming the systems of today towards something entirely different and Mission Control is just the start. Who knows. But I know 2 things, firstly I hated Spaces but actually have taken a liking to MC, and secondly, I wouldn't be holding your breath waiting for a return to the past, and quickly forget Spaces or get into using MC. The future, as Mac has consistently shown, is always forward, never backwards. You can go back to Snow Leopard in protest or whatever, but at some stage, you will have to update or wallow in the past.


Good Luck

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