When will we get rosetta on Lion

petermac87 wrote:

The license terms for the base version of Snow Leopard don't allow virtualization. You can virtualize the Server version, but it's quite expensive. You'd be better off updating your application to a version that runs on Lion, which you'll have to do eventually anyway. Even following your links, the blog writer himself says he has no idea if he was breaking EULA or not. He was.

Good Luck

Pete

That seems to be a common Urban Myth!

Users like Ronda Wilson and others may not have that option at this time.

Since you are so certain ("He was"): Could you please quote for us the provision(s) in the Snow Leopard EULA that prohibits this activity!?

Do you own homework. You go around these forums making statements like this:-

MichaelLAX

IF my guess is correct and again I have not read the EULA of the virtualization companies, then I posit that using a "trick" to get Parallels to install Snow Leopard does not violate Apple's EULA. I operate my Lion July 2011 Mac Mini under this assumption, but I am not making any legal opinions nor suggesting any such conduct by others.

So give us all a break. You made it blatenly obvious the other day you have some wonderful program to sell re Rosetta, posted it in every thread you could find and had every comment you posted deleted by the moderators. We have better things to do than try to argue with profiteering trolls with no points from helping anybody.

You have Google, use it.

Kind Regards

Pete

Also some applications and games don't have an Intel version and never will. My sister like to play the first Star Craft game which is PowerPC only and will probably never be updated to Intel as it's not profitable for Blizzard to do so. Plus, I doubt if it will run decently in virtualization. Also some PowerPC programs don't have Intel equilalents or the Intel equilalents are not good enough.

Quicken, for example, the older PowerPC versions have features that were removed from the Lion version.

chuckthetekkie wrote:

Also some applications and games don't have an Intel version and never will. My sister like to play the first Star Craft game which is PowerPC only and will probably never be updated to Intel as it's not profitable for Blizzard to do so. Plus, I doubt if it will run decently in virtualization. Also some PowerPC programs don't have Intel equilalents or the Intel equilalents are not good enough.

Quicken, for example, the older PowerPC versions have features that were removed from the Lion version.

Then either go back to Snow Leopard or use two partitions, it's pretty easy. A lot of people here, including myself do it. You can also run one of the OSs from an external HardDrive if you wish. Beware of certain posters here who's motivation for Virtual install of SL comes from having some product to sell. If I require SL to work in, I boot into it, although all my programs were updated for Intel since Apple announced the dropping of PPC support about six years ago, but there is still a game of two the kids want to play that need SL.

Good Luck

Pete

I will also not buy Lion until they put it on a DVD for install. I have no desire to download a 4+GB file or purchase an overpriced USB Flash drive.

Plus a 2 partition or external Hard drive is really not an option as I am using a MacBook Pro and I'm cramped for space as it is.

Hard drive prices are way too expensive since the Thailand floods.

chuckthetekkie wrote:

I will also not buy Lion until they put it on a DVD for install. I have no desire to download a 4+GB file or purchase an overpriced USB Flash drive.

Plus a 2 partition or external Hard drive is really not an option as I am using a MacBook Pro and I'm cramped for space as it is.

Hard drive prices are way too expensive since the Thailand floods.

1. Lion will never be released on DVD. You can make your own or buy the USB. If you don't even have Lion installed I don't know what your problem is or why you are hanging around the Lion Forums.

2. 2 Partitions is a great option unless you have a very small drive. If so, upgrade it

3. Hard Drives are said to be more expensive. But I just purchased a Seagate 500GB hybrid Drive for an older MBP the other day for $120.

So entirely your choice to work with an older OS, older software and small storage space, but eventually you will have no more support for your hardware and software. A problem that doesn't concern the rest of us, but don't complain if you get lost in the past where you decided to stay. In 6 monts Snow Leopard will be Three OSXs old.

Good Luck

Pete

chuckthetekkie wrote:

...Quicken, for example, the older PowerPC versions have features that were removed from the Lion version.

Be aware that the Quicken 2007 for Lion that Intuit is releasing only has an upgrade path for Quicken versions 2005, 2006 and 2007. There is NO upgrade path (at this time) for older versions of Quicken.

This is problematic for me, as I have continued to use Quicken Deluxe 2002 because Intuit lobotomized later versions, specifically the ability to track stock market transactions.

Since I purchased a mid-2011 Mac Mini to replace my desktop iMac G5 when it died, it requires Lion (although there is good work from others on this forum about how to get Snow Leopard to work on those machines; a solution I am not interested in; as I am just about to upgrade to iCloud before the deadline).

Hence my posting about my success in getting Snow Leopard to work withing Parallels 7 in Lion, which is now how I access Quicken Deluxe 2002 on a 24/7/365 basis (among other Rosetta programs used less frequently):

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3209335?answerId=16247806022#16247806022

If the dual boot solution works for your hardware then you are back to the way Boot Camp worked for Windows on Macs before Virtualization: rebooting all the time. Good luck with that!

Given my hardware, and my limited patience, that is not a solution for me.

It's not a choice. I am forced to use an older OS due to Apple not including Rosetta in Lion as I use programs and games that will never go Intel. I usually upgrade the OS when a new version comes out, but hearing that Rosetta was not included caused me not to buy right away. I was hoping that when enough people complained, Apple would put Rosetta back in an update and then I would buy.

Hard drives are way more expensive now. A 1TB 2.5" 9.5mm drive that was $130 before the floods is $240 now.

I already have a 500GB drive in my laptop and I am running out of space.

Besides, "NEW" doesn't always mean better. Sometimes the old works better than the new.

Virtualization is not always an option either as some programs and games don't run well in a virtual environment.

If I could, I'd still be running Microsoft Office 2004 as I prefer its interface better than 2008/2011, but it runs too slow under Rosetta.

I have also found that some Universal Binaries run faster in an older PowerPC comptuer than on a faster Intel Mac in Intel mode. Not sure why. Safari 4 runs faster on a 900MHz PowerPC Power Mac G4 than Safari 5 on a 2.66GHz MacBook Pro. Tell me why?

chuckthetekkie wrote:

...I have also found that some Universal Binaries run faster in an older PowerPC comptuer than on a faster Intel Mac in Intel mode. Not sure why. Safari 4 runs faster on a 900MHz PowerPC Power Mac G4 than Safari 5 on a 2.66GHz MacBook Pro. Tell me why?

Probably for the same reason that Microsoft Word 1.0 will run faster on the Mac 512K: there is much less code in the earlier versions...

I sympathize with your situation; you have few options left. That is one reason why I keep my Powerbook 1400c (with all its various accessories, including Zip Drive) and my Apple //c working.

Just last month I completed a spreadsheet of additions to "basis" on my home from a remodel completed in 1983 - 1985 from Home Accountant files compiled on my Apple //c in those days and transfered over to Virtual ][ on my Mac Mini utilizing the ADT (Apple Disk Transfer) program and a USB to Apple II serial cable.

I also prefer to use MS Word/Excel 2004 and do use it in Rosetta on the Snow Leopard in Parallels in Lion situation, I mentioned. Maybe it is faster than Rosetta on your machine, but "your mileage may differ!"

BTW: I just purchased a Seagate 500GB "portable" HD for $79 at one of the large electronic retailers, so be sure to check out "all the usual suspects." I can't name them here for obvious reasons...

MlchaelLAX wrote:

I can't name them here for obvious reasons...

Why not? I link to vendors all the time when people are looking to upgrade.

There is no reason not to, as long as you're not profiting in any way from such links.

petermac87 wrote:

Do you own homework. You go around these forums making statements like this:-

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IF my guess is correct and again I have not read the EULA of the virtualization companies, then I posit that using a "trick" to get Parallels to install Snow Leopard does not violate Apple's EULA. I operate my Lion July 2011 Mac Mini under this assumption, but I am not making any legal opinions nor suggesting any such conduct by others.

So give us all a break. You made it blatenly obvious the other day you have some wonderful program to sell re Rosetta, posted it in every thread you could find and had every comment you posted deleted by the moderators. We have better things to do than try to argue with profiteering trolls with no points from helping anybody.

You have Google, use it.

Kind Regards

Pete

There is an old saying: "put up or [close your mouth]!"

You have indicated that you updated all of your PPC programs in the last 6 years, so you have no purpose in this thread other than to be an obstructionist for those who need a solution for "When will we get rosetta in Lion?"

There is another old saying: "If you have nothing good to say, say nothing!"

Put another way, if you have nothing more to offer this thread, other than repeating the Boot Camp-like dual-boot partition scheme, then stand aside and let others post real-time working solutions for those who need them.

Thank you.

MlchaelLAX wrote:

There is an old saying: "put up or [close your mouth]!"

Nice attempt at spin and skirting around Rhonda's question. I have offered opinions on Rosetta and ways to use it by double booting , returning to SL etc, so why am I not allowed to partcipate in this thread? When did it become an exclusive thread for virtualizing software?

Good Luck

Pete

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I will also not buy Lion until they put it on a DVD for install.

Most people make their own install DVD (highly recommended) to replace the missing disk.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-20080989-263/how-to-create-an-os-x-lion-ins tallation-disc/

MlchaelLAX wrote:

Put another way, if you have nothing more to offer this thread, other than repeating the Boot Camp-like dual-boot partition scheme, then stand aside and let others post real-time working solutions for those who need them.

You mean like try to use these forums to sell people stuff?