When will we get rosetta on Lion

let others post real-time working solutions for those who need them.

When are you going to understand that - aside from the solutions posted by petermac87 - there aren't any (that are legal and can be discussed here). Period. That is supported by the hosts' continued removal of your posts; yet you continue relentlessly.

I would recommend that you try the macrumors forums - that might be a better fit for your concerns. In going there to post a direct link for you, I noticed that they are even discussing a not yet released OS which cannot be done here:

http://forums.macrumors.com/

I'm an unashamed Apple fanboi who's not too shy to run a developer operating system in a production environment. It's not for everyone and I do get bitten occasionally.

Thinking on this discourse I wonder if some people really would be better off just running Windows where they could run their 1980's software without fear of redundancy.

I hope I don't sound patronising but it seems Macintosh has always, since my 1984 Mac, been about the future, and Windows has always begrudgeingly just taken baby steps forward (as long as they don't tread on the dawdlers).

Thank you, babowa, for your rational response to my inquiry.

I came to this thread because chuckthetekkie expressed interest in a Lion solution and I responded to it, as I have done on other threads. It seems that my suggestion will not work for him, however as it has for others.

The important point is that it works for some, and hence I continue to express my views. One poster was being forced to abandon thousands of dollars of scanner software that is integral in his profession. With my advice, he will be able to continue to work in both environments and he has sent me well written emails of his gratitude. He found me here in a different thread.

The solution is legal and continues to be discussed here. What has been removed is the discussions over the "metadata" and not the solution. Hence I now understand that I will not rebut the metadata responses.

Unlike you, I do not have 10,000 points to put at risk, so I am the better one to walk on that thin ice, as I will continue to do when solutions are requested.

What I will now discontinue is the rebuttal to the constant barrage of naysayers who, ironically, have no interest in this solution to begin with.

You can get from earlier-than-2005 versions of Quicken to Quicken-2007-Lion in a two step process, as I just did. Purchase the Quicken-2007-Lion, $15, download or CD. You can get a link to a FREE download of the "old" Quicken 2007 (the Quicken customer support person I was doing a Help-Chat with sent me the link). Open the old file, e.g. a Quicken 2003 data file with the "old" Quicken 2007; it just opens and converts to 2007 format, no export/import necessary. Quit out of the "old" Quicken 2007.

Next, launch Quicken-2007-Lion and open the data file. Again, automatic "conversion".

I just did this today and tried a few simple things. The old checking account registers and old saved reports seem to work. I haven't tried anything fancier yet.

Caveat - I did this on an Intel iMac running Snow Leopard, so all programs in question would run. The "old" Quicken 2007 may not work if you have already updated to Lion? But unexpectedly painless, so far. Will see how life with Lion is.

Jim:

Thanks for the tip for all...

I was having trouble using Quicken 2007 PPC to upgrade my Quicken Deluxe 2002 data files. It would do about 98% of the conversion and during a "slow" conversion of memorized transactions, it would crash, with the resulting file dead on arrival.

I tried many permutations, including deleting memorized transactions first (all two of them!), and then first exporting 2011 to date transactions and trimming all outdated Accounts and Categories; but still the crash.

Continuing to read various posts on the Internet, I found MY solution: One blogger posted how she had to convert her older files with Quicken 2006. I tried Quicken 2006 PPC and it worked! I then opened the resulting file in Quicken 2007 for Lion, so I now have a lean, mean Quicken machine working in Lion.

Nevertheless, I continue to use Snow Leopard in Parallels 7 for the few times that I need to work with Rosetta (mostly old MS Office files that do not translate to the latest version correctly and some Adobe products that I do not use frequently enough to justify the upgrade fees).

YES: the Quicken conversions required Snow Leopard, which I did in my Parallels environment, since I have already upgraded to Lion.

In reply to the OP, never.

Pete

petermac87 wrote:

In reply to the OP, never.

Pete

And you know that how?

Lion is nearing its end and will be replaced by Mountain Lion. Does the OP really believe that Apple will be pouring all it's resources into an old feature they have announced as being no longer supported and stop developing Mountain Lion?

Pete

I have no secret "know"ledge of Apple's plans but I do "know" from history that Apple has never been slow to abandon old technologies.

I would be a shock to me if Apple relented and somehow incorporated Rosetta's ancient code into an OS like Mountain Lion which will be all 64 bit.

I have no idea what the OP believes but I also have no idea what Apple will do in the future. I'm just wondering how you know what Apple will do.

I would be surprised if Apple brought back Rosetta but they've surprised me in the past. I was just curious why petermac87 was so positive about Apple's plans for the future.

I was replying to the OP. can you tell him with why you believe it will be reintroduced? To me the dropping of Classic mode, the inability of pp. computers not to even be able to run Snow Leopard, all the leading software developers making 64 bit intel programs all seemed to point just a little bit towards Rosetta's courtesy inclusion in SL being developed no further. Your turn.

Pete

Ahh, an injection of keen observations of history, logical deductions and plausible assumptions. That works for me.

As long as we are speculating, I'll throw in my 2¢:

Rosetta will not be introduced into Lion, nor any of its successor OS'.

Rosetta is not owned by Apple, but licensed from a third party company, Transitive Corporation. It is a good guess that Apple's contract with Transitive Corporation has come to its expiration. Since the company was aquired by IBM, it seems doubtful that IBM will relicense the code.

This position is reinforced by the recent action of Intuit to release a five year old version of its Quicken program for the Mac that will run on Lion. This company has a notorious history of dragging its development of the Mac versions of its software, even though its former CEO, William V. Cambell, is on the Board of Directors of Apple, (He was CEO when Steve Jobs returned to Apple and Jobs secretly showed him the prototype for the iMac in 1997 and convinced Intuit to keep updates of its Mac version of Quicken alive at that time. In return for such guarantee, EVERY iMac sold in those days included a copy of Quicken). So, there would be no reason for Intuit to recode and release Quicken 2007 for Mac if there was ANY hope of Rosetta's reintroduction.

Hence those who need to run PPC programs into the future have one solution and two workarounds: Run Snow Leopard in Parallels in Lion; dual-boot a partioned or external hard disk, if the CPU hardware will allow booting from SL; and finally, keep a Snow Leopard compatible machine and treat it with kid gloves into the future (and use Screen Sharing to allow Lion and Snow Leopard's use on the same display).

A better question is: will Apple release an update to Snow Leopard that will allow iCloud access? If they do, will it be before the shutdown of MobileMe, now scheduled for June 30th? This would, of course, hit two birds with one stone (Rosetta and iCloud)!

petermac87 wrote:

can you tell him with why you believe it will be reintroduced?

Please advise when I stated such a belief.