Upgraded Late 2006 MBP to Lion, so far so good

AHMuse11 wrote:

Yup, that is exactly what happend. Then Firefox stopped providing updates

Then you must be on 10.5 Intel then and should upgrade to 10.6.3, then Software update to 10.6.8.

If Apple denies security updates for 10.6 users when 10.8 is released this summer, that will alienate over 65% of it's installed base comprising of 10.4, 10.5 and 10.6 users. Mac based botnets will grow to well over a few million compromised machines.

Right now Apple has a problem with 16.5% of its users on 10.5, some PPC and Intel mixed, so it's looking like they cant' provide updates for 10.5 Intel users without also doing so for PPC users, thus the 600,000 strong Mac botnet will remain in place.

I'm only assuming Apple is attempting to eradicate it by attacking the command and control, which is pointless unless the machines are also cleaned up. Apple won't provide a security update, because that would mean they would have to fix all the other things wrong with 10.5.

However 10.6.8 is still recieving updates, and I'm moving to Windows 7 where Microsoft has a history of supporting it's operating system versions for at least 10 years.

One might get infected with Windows, but one always has the option of restoring a clean system and getting patches for the life of the hardware.

AHMuse11 wrote:

Diego_FR wrote:

Just to say that I finally made the upgrade and it runs as smooth as Snow Leopard does. I have the 4GB of RAM (only 3 working) upgrade also

So you made the switch to Lion on your 2006?

Yes, I did 🙂

And I didn't have any problems with that. I had recently installed a clean Snow Leopard and I installed Lion on it.

ds store wrote:

Then you must be on 10.5 Intel then and should upgrade to 10.6.3, then Software update to 10.6.8.

If Apple denies security updates for 10.6 users when 10.8 is released this summer, that will alienate over 65% of it's installed base comprising of 10.4, 10.5 and 10.6 users. Mac based botnets will grow to well over a few million compromised machines.

However 10.6.8 is still receiving updates, and I'm moving to Windows 7 where Microsoft has a history of supporting it's operating system versions for at least 10 years.

One might get infected with Windows, but one always has the option of restoring a clean system and getting patches for the life of the hardware.

wow. I sure hope they still support 10.6 when 10.8 comes out. I am just going to do a fresh install of 10.6, I'm sure my comp needs a clean wipe anyway. There are rumors of 10.6.9 to integrate iCloud.....but I've heard nothing new since Oct 2011.

awwww, you're leaving Apple?? I can see why I suppose. I just cant give it up though. I did check for that Java flashback via Terminal. I don't have it. I am super careful on the web though, and that is mostly why I use Firefox too. But those people who just mess around on the web not knowing what they are getting into are really at risk. Firefox just left me in the dust completely maybe 6 months ago. So they supported 10.4 for a while.

Diego_FR wrote:

So you made the switch to Lion on your 2006?

Yes, I did 🙂

And I didn't have any problems with that. I had recently installed a clean Snow Leopard and I installed Lion on it.

hmmmmmm. Man, just when I thought I made up my mind to go with SL. haha.

AHMuse11 wrote:

Diego_FR wrote:

So you made the switch to Lion on your 2006?

Yes, I did 🙂

And I didn't have any problems with that. I had recently installed a clean Snow Leopard and I installed Lion on it.

hmmmmmm. Man, just when I thought I made up my mind to go with SL. haha.

Well, I thought about it for a while, but I wanted my Macbook to be as upgraded as possible. Not including iCloud in Snow Leopard was another way to force me to upgrade. Trying the upgrade I could only lose some money (it's quite inexpensive IMHO) and time, so I tried and I don't go back now.

I'd recommend you to upgrade to 4GB of RAM and in the event your system isn't as fast as you'd expect, you have the option of adding a SSD unit. With all these things, you'll have a Macbook for a long time 😉

The only thing you could miss in Lion is multitouch trackpad. I'm using a lot the Magic Trackpad with my iMac and once you get used to that, there is no way back 🙂

Diego_FR wrote:

Well, I thought about it for a while, but I wanted my Macbook to be as upgraded as possible. Not including iCloud in Snow Leopard was another way to force me to upgrade. Trying the upgrade I could only lose some money (it's quite inexpensive IMHO) and time, so I tried and I don't go back now.

I'd recommend you to upgrade to 4GB of RAM and in the event your system isn't as fast as you'd expect, you have the option of adding a SSD unit. With all these things, you'll have a Macbook for a long time 😉

The only thing you could miss in Lion is multitouch trackpad. I'm using a lot the Magic Trackpad with my iMac and once you get used to that, there is no way back 🙂

Thanks. That is some really good info! I did do the RAM upgrade about a month ago.....

Yea I have an iPad2 so iCloud would be nice to have......and the multi touch gestures aren't really a big deal for me. So I can live with that. SSD are still too expensive for me, and Mtn Lion wont work with my mac so I went with a 7200rpm for more bang for my buck.

hmmmmm, more to think about.

Thanks.

Diego_FR wrote:

Well, I thought about it for a while, but I wanted my Macbook to be as upgraded as possible.

and just to verify, what are the stats for your Macbook? Or it is a Macbook Pro? I have the 13" Macbook with 2ghz

AHMuse11 wrote:

and just to verify, what are the stats for your Macbook? Or it is a Macbook Pro? I have the 13" Macbook with 2ghz

I have the very same Macbook. Tell me how do you want me to get that stats and I'll try to tell you.

As I told before, I'm using much more the iMac, but I didn't find any differences passing from 10.6 to 10.7

oh, okay. Just double checking. Thanks for your help!

Now I just have to decide SL or Lion? The one guy who said Lion killed his macbook has me a little worried. But everyone is different and uses their comp for diff things.

AHMuse11 wrote:

...you're leaving Apple?? I can see why I suppose.

Well I'm tired of being Apple's OS upgrade lab rat, my machine came with 10.6 and since then 10.7 came out and now 10.8 is coming out this summer and likely 10.9 next summer.

I'm tired of all my software breaking, if Apple would support their older OS versions then fine people can stay where they are most comfortable until their hardware breaks, but that doesn't jive with Apple.

Firefox just left me in the dust completely maybe 6 months ago.

Well 10.5 is both PPC and Intel processor based, and according to charts I see 10.5 PPC users are very low now.

Apple has provide assistance on their end to fix problems in their OS too, if Apple supported 10.5 then Firefox, Java and Flash all would provide updates.

But it's because Apple is not fixng 10.5, it leaves third party software with no other choice but to abandond those users.

With Windows Microsoft has a history of long term support of their operating system versions.

XP got about 12 years of support, the 6 year old Vista will get another 5 more years and Windows 7 is rather recent, so it stands to get about another 10 years of support.

I'll likely wind up running Windows 7 in Bootcamp here on my Mac eventually, leaving OS X behind. I'm fairly competant when it comes to computers and installing operating systems, so I should have no problem restoring it if need be.

My next machine likely will be either a Win 7 or Win 8, that way I know the OS will last the life of the hardware and not require a painful OS upgrade like what your about to do.

Although a 10.5 to 10.6 upgrade was very painless experience andall my older software ran just like before due to Rosetta.

10.6 is faster than 10.5 or 10.7 in tests.

With 10.7 Apple has decided to change the game and move to a iPhone/iPad like iOS for Mac's, so it's likely OS X as we know it will eventually disappear and if you don't change, then your denied security updates. 😠

So I'm going to bypass all that, I don't like iOS one bit. I'm desktop UI user, not a touchscreen user.

Ubuntu Linux made that mistake and tried to force a touchscreen UI onto it's desktop users and they nearly all defected for Linux Mint which gives the user the choice to run what desktop they want.

ds store wrote:

AHMuse11 wrote:

...you're leaving Apple?? I can see why I suppose.

Well I'm tired of being Apple's OS upgrade lab rat, my machine came with 10.6 and since then 10.7 came out and now 10.8 is coming out this summer and likely 10.9 next summer.

Yea, they do wip out those OS very quickly. That is kinda what I am going through. If I go with 10.7 (which I think I may hold out for, and just do 10.6) that is the last stop for my Mac. Mtn Lion is a no go. Then I maybe hope to get a good deal on a refurb that was "made for" lion. Touch screen on a desktop is why I'm kinda avoiding Lion. Just helped my mom with her new iMac running Lion, I like the old file type set up.

AHMuse11 wrote:

The one guy who said Lion killed his macbook has me a little worried

You should be worried with a Macbook 2,1 about upgrading to 10.7, however 10.6 will be a GOOD upgrade for that machine.

This is what will happen if you upgrade to 10.6.3 via the disk

1: Your PPC based code is stripped out as your not using it obviously

2: You will get faster video drivers than you had for 10.5

3: Your 10.5 based software will work in 10.6

4: OS X 10.6 will get optimized for speedier response.

This is what will happen if you upgrade to 10.6.8 via Software Update

1: A few of your third party software(s) may require a update as 10.6.8 changes things a bit in order to put the MacAppStore in etc.

This is what will happen if you then upgrade to 10.7

1: Your machine will slow way down, especially with a older processor and only 2GB of RAM, you really need 4GB for Lion, but your older processor can only address about 3.5 GB of it.

2: Your 10.5 software many could get "PPC based software is no longer supported" type messages

3: Your third party drivers for printers, scanners etc will more than likely no longer work and going to the makers site you will find none for 10.7 in a lot of cases, so your hardware is basically worthless.

4: You might not like the radical changes in 10.7

This is what will happen if you wish to return to 10.6

1: You'll have to try to erase the drive of the computer with the 10.5 or 10.6 disks and then try to install 10.5 as your free copy of iLife is on that 10.5 disk that came with your machine.

10.6.3 retail disk has no free iLife, so if you can't boot off the 10.5 disk, as which Apple likely will do a firmware update either in 10.6 or 10.7 to prevent you from booting from the 10.5 disk and/or installing your free iLife on the 10.5 disk.

You will then have to install 10.6.3 and then use Pacifist to extract iLife programs from the 10.5 installer disks.

You'll have to follow this proceedure to revery your 10.7 Mac to 10.6, it requires erasing the entiire drive as Lion alteres the partition map and installs a hidden Recovery Partition that must also be erased.

How to revert your Mac to Snow Leopard

ds store wrote:

AHMuse11 wrote:

The one guy who said Lion killed his macbook has me a little worried

You should be worried with a Macbook 2,1 about upgrading to 10.7, however 10.6 will be a GOOD upgrade for that machine.

This is what will happen if you upgrade to 10.6.3 via the disk

1: Your PPC based code is stripped out as your not using it obviously

2: You will get faster video drivers than you had for 10.5

3: Your 10.5 based software will work in 10.6

4: OS X 10.6 will get optimized for speedier response.

THANK YOU! I think that was what I needed to hear. I am still running 10.4 so 10.6 will be like a new mac.

All that info you just laid out was the biggest help out of everything I have read on ALL the forums.

Thanks! Big help!

Plus my Mac Office 2004 wont work on Lion (i dont want to spend more money). I think you just sealed the deal for me.

10.6 it is. With the new HD I think it will be a new animal.

AHMuse11 wrote:

I did check for that Java flashback via Terminal. I don't have it.

I have never seen a comprehensive set of terminal commands that are able to check for all two dozen variants of Flashback. According to F-Secure, this tool http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002346.html seems to check for many of them.

ds store wrote:

10.6.3 retail disk has no free iLife

whoa, whoa.....a little panic here. I called Apple last week to get a hard copy of SL so I could do a fresh install and bypass Leopard. I would hope the copy they sent me would have iLife with it....dang it. I can't belive I did not think of that. I sure effing hope it does. Guess I will find out on Saturday when I strap in to do all this junk. I really hope I don't have to spend more money to get iLife. From what I can see on the Store site, it looks like it is the bare bones (no mention of iLife) just to get people up to speed with Lion.