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Web Process + Safari now hogging 50-75% more memory than Safari 5.0.5 did

Now that Apple has split Safari into two processes — Web Process (handles page loads and other traffic) and Safari (handles interface, bookmarks, history, etc) — these two processes together are using 50% to 75% more memory than Safari did before the upgrade to 5.1.


Three days ago, the most RAM I'd ever seen Safari hog (after several hours of surfing multiple tabs) was 1.1GB (still way more than it needed, once back down to 3 or 4 tabs).


Today, after surfing only an hour:


WebProcess 1.3GB

Safari 552MB


Anyone else seeing this? And anyone have ideas about limiting this memory hogging?

Macbook Pro 13, Mac OS X (10.6.4), 10.6.7

Posted on Jul 27, 2011 2:04 AM

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Sep 5, 2011 8:46 AM in response to Lexiepex

LexSchellings wrote:


I was not talking to you at all. You just mingled in in this thread. I answered the Walrus.


How does it matter whom you were talking to? This is an open thread and every one here is facing identical issues with Safari 5.1. Since your post ("update your OS to 10.6.8 using the combo update.") seemed to talk about some kind of a solution, asking you to elaborate is justified.


Lastly, I didn't mingle in this thread. If you read through previous posts you'll notice I've been on it for a few weeks.

Sep 5, 2011 10:40 AM in response to rahul.l

Yes rahu, you did not read who I was answering to, it was Walrus, and the Walrus does NOT have 10.6.8 !! So we were here trying to help the Walrus solve his problem, and you just mingled in telling you have a problem too. How do you know it is the same? In the supermarket you are also pushing forward in the line to be helped before the one who is at the cashier, I suppose.😠

Sep 5, 2011 11:11 AM in response to rahul.l

Installing the 10.6.8 Combo Update will "correct" the problem, as it includes the previous Safari, 5.0.5, which is not nearly as buggy or memory hogging as 5.1 is. I gave up awaiting Apple to release a fix for 5.1, so I did the combo update, and Safari now uses far less memory, & the Autofill is once again useful, and not a pain to use, as it is in 5.1 (where it acts like a Windows program might)....


I sure hope Apple will refine, fix, & either go back to the old Autofill, or make the new one an improvement, not a digression.

Sep 5, 2011 11:33 AM in response to Lexiepex

Lex, I suspect you have trouble understanding the English language because you are making no sense buddy!


If you read what Saxman says - 10.6.8 combo doesn't "solve" the problem with Safari 5.1 it gets rid of Safari 5.1 entirely by reverting to 5.0.5 (which I plan to do myself because switching to firefox doesn't give me access to my bookmarks, preferences, etc.).


Software updates don't solve the RAM issues in Safari 5.1. Users on 10.7.x (Lion) are also reporting the same issue (yes, it is the same issue - I know it is the same issue because every single user mentions identical symptoms). Perhaps, you'll now suggest that users on 10.7 also try installing the 10.6.8 combo update. 😝


As for my supermarket etiquette - no, I don't break the line but if I ever find myself behind you in any line i'm cutting in ahead of you just for kicks! 😁


Please let this be the end of our silly argument, the problems with Safari are bad enough as it is.

Sep 5, 2011 11:42 AM in response to Lexiepex

Lex, I'm not sure where you're looking, but my profile says I'm running 10.6.8, and I am. Are you saying that you're NOT seeing this problem? That WebProcess isn't hogging over a gig of RAM under everyday use? If so, I'd be interested to know how you have it configured.


For the record, I'm running exactly the same extension on Chrome as on Safari. Chrome has yet to grab more than 400MB of RAM, even when taxing the **** out of it (20+ tabs, editing multiple Google Wiki and Google Doc pages). Safari & WebProcess together will eat up 2GB under the same circumstances.


Would love to know what you're doing right that everybody else in this thread is dong "wrong." (And by "wrong," I mean doing exactly the same things they alwasy did in Safari 5.0.5 and never had a problem.)

Sep 5, 2011 12:36 PM in response to 100 Watt Walrus

Walrus,

since you have OSX (10.6.4) 10.6.7 in your post, how to know that you in reality run 10.6.8?

And yes, I see your problem of ram eating Webprocess, otherwise I would not try to help solve it...

And yes, I see your problem of ram eating Safari, otherwise I would not try to help to solve it..

And yes, I concur that Chrome is behaving "normal" in your case, and Safari not. But I am not satisfied with saying "stop using Safari, use Chrome", because that is not solving the issue, but running away from it...

And NO, I am not doing right that you are doing wrong: I am doing nothing and have Safari behave like your Safari 5.0.5 did, like 99% of other Safari users, where Safari behaves "normal". And you are doing nothing wrong, even if you have a problem with Safari....

Get it?

Thank you.

the reason why I said run the the 10.6.8 Combo is not because I want you to update, I would have suggested that too, when I knew you have 10.6.8: because it often solves these problems.. It is not about running the latest update but by running the Combo which reinstalls a lot of latest updates.

the reason why I say, disable the Safari plugins, is because they often are at the source of these issues, if it makes the behaviour of Safari better, enable them one by one, restarting Safari after each, to see which one is the culprit, etcetera.

These problems are not caused by a faulty app, but by something else: never forget that here in these forums are maybe 0.001 % of all users.. and nobody comes here to tell that his computer is behaving normal.

Lex

Sep 5, 2011 3:52 PM in response to Lexiepex

Lex, I know people say there's nothing wrong with Safari, that's a plug-in, or something else the user must be doing. However, I've read numerous posts of longtime Mac users who have done all they could, disabled plug-ins, reset Safari, etc, & still having problems, as I have experienced. Plus, if the problem is a few plug-ins, why doesn't Apple just figure out which ones & let everyone know, instead of thousands/millions of people having to go through the same tedious procedure, that many will find beyond their computer skll-level as well?

That's one reason I don't buy this explanation, along with a higher level tech at Apple telling me early on they were well aware of the bugs, & assured me a fix would be very quickly forthcoming. He obviously had not gotten the word yet, or was unable to give me the party line response, for when I called back a few weeks later, as no fix had yet been issued, a different higher level tech said they'd not heard of any problems with Safari, and that I might want to disable all plug-ins & extensions!


As to some using the combo update & not finding 5.05 in ir, I have no idea how or why that may be; if anything's changed, it had to have been done very recently, & I don't know why Apple would do that...

Sep 5, 2011 6:34 PM in response to Lexiepex

Lex, sorry for the misunderstanding. You are right about my original post having outdated OS information. I changed it AFTER that post and had forgotten that was the case. I can try turning extension off and then on one at a time, but I don't know when I'll be able to get around to it since I use several of my extension for work, and doing so will require me to use Safari long enough after each turn-on to build up to WebProcess' memory leak (or long enough to be sure the leak isn't happening).


Since you say you're having the same problems, I take it you've tried this already? Did you have any success?


I would love to help solve the problem. I'm not "running away" to Chrome either, which is why I'm here as well. I've just resorted to using Chrome as my daily driver until Apple releases a fix. (Wouldn't it be nice if they acknowledged the problem so we could at least be assured that fix is on the way?)


FYI, my extensions are...


Firebug Lite

Click-to-Flash (already tried turning this off, didn't help)

TinEye (tried running without this too)

ImgurUploader (tried turning this off)

Awesome Screenshot (haven't tried without this one yet, need it for work)

JavaScript Blacklist (tried turning this off)

HoverZoom (tried turning this off)

LessIMDb (site-specific, haven't tried turning this off)

AdBlock (tried turning this off)

KachingleX (my company's extension, which is on and off all the time since I'm the QA guy)


So now that I look at this list, it seems I have tried Safari with most of these off after all!


Thanks for offering the 5.0.5/6 link. I may take you up on that, but not just yet — there are dangers to downgrading, are their not? What with Safari being closely meshed with the OS?

Web Process + Safari now hogging 50-75% more memory than Safari 5.0.5 did

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