What is replacing iDVD and iWeb

So what are the options now? I used iDVD on Snow Leopard to make DVDs of home movies of my kids to send to my family on the other side of the world, and to make photo albums for newly-weds whose weddings I photographed. I just don't get Apple's vision of uploading a multi-gigabyte video to YouTube and then expecting relatives to stream that to their laptops, or watching a Flickr slideshow.

So my options are: carry on with iDVD, unsupported though it will be, or find an alternative application. To that end, how easy is it to install iDVD alone on Lion, given that I've already got iPhoto, iMovie and GarageBand from the app store? And what are the real alternatives to iDVD? The app store only lists DVD-Creator, but that has no reviews, and of course app store doesn't let you try before buying.

Maybe we should be looking at a bigger picture of video editing and DVD authoring in general. There have been many changes in this area and most have been reductions of some sort. Final Cut Express has gone, Final Cut Pro has been reduced in capabilities and pretty much all DVD authoring has gone. So my question is what is the future of video editing and DVD authoring in Apple software? 😕

I can understand why they dropped support for iDVD altogether.

1. iDVD for iLife '11 was the same version as iDVD for iLife '09.

2. The executive team prefers digital format instead of the older optical media format.

3. There are now two lines of macs that no longer have a built-in optical drive. Macbook Air and Mac Mini.

4. They migrating from install DVDs to Mac App store.

iWeb may be a little more difficult to figure out.

1. Possible because MobileMe was primary hosting service. Going towards a sync-based iCloud would only leave the options of 3rd party hosting services.

2. Perhaps a move towards a prosumer or professional web authoring application since many of the users were using iWeb for more than just "personal" websites.

I bet that Apple has done research and concluded that a very small percentage of users (successfully) use iDVD.

Nope, that's not it.

There's one guy in upper management at Apple that doesn't like DVDs.

This philosophy is a simple one. If you want to watch a movie, purchase it on iTunes. If you want to make your own movie upload it to the cloud.

I still prefer to make DVDs, and continue to use iDVD with no difficulties.

There are now two lines of macs that no longer have a built-in optical drive. Macbook Air and Mac Mini.

What's interesting is that the 2010 Mac mini is selling for more than the 2011 Mac mini. Despite the fact that the 2011 model has a faster processor.

People want optical drives. The Mac mini decision is unfortunate, especially considering it only adds about $30 to the cost of the Mac mini.

So is it possible to install iLife 11 on a clean install of Lion which has iPhoto/iMovie/GarageBand 11 installed from the App Store, so that I can get iDVD, without borking the installed apps? I know Apple like nice easy one-click installers, but I would like to just install iDVD, but I'm not sure if it's possible.

CtrlAltDel wrote:

So is it possible to install iLife 11 on a clean install of Lion which has iPhoto/iMovie/GarageBand 11 installed from the App Store, so that I can get iDVD, without borking the installed apps? I know Apple like nice easy one-click installers, but I would like to just install iDVD, but I'm not sure if it's possible.

If you are installing from the disc, on installation type, there is a "customize" button in the or an option to choose which apps specifically you want to install.

Also, /library/reciepts/ are there to validate what has already been installed on the system thus skipping over that application, but if the reciept is not there, the files will be written over. From all the reinstalls I have done, I haven't see personally where it borked the application. Just make sure you run software update, post reinstall.

Thanks for that calbe, I'll give it a go and see what happens.

I actually installed iDVD on Lion from an iLife09 disk, on a system that had iPhoto, iMovie and Gargageband from the App Store. Software update will bring it up to the same version as iLife11 (for iDVD). It seems to work fine (I did a test project) and iPhoto and iMovie still seem to work fine too.

Again, I did the custom install from the iLife09 disk, and selected only iDVD (along with a grayed out common set of components that are prechosen).

jb

It's all looking good; I installed iDVD off my iLife 09 DVD, and as John Beatty1 says, the app store versions of iPhoto etc appeared greyed out in the customisation section of the installer. Software update had to do two updates to bring iDVD up to date, but it's installed and running smoothly, while the iLife 11 App Store apps work just fine.

So a big thanks to the community for helping out, and a big razz to Apple for end-of-lifing the only reasonable product in its category that I could find, just because they want to move electrons and not atoms.

Now, about authoring Blu-Ray discs... :-P

and a big razz to Apple for end-of-lifing the only reasonable product in its category

Tell Apple how you feel. They do read these comments, and often react. Be nice.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/idvd.html

http://www.apple.com/feedback/

(On the above link, you will notice under Mac apps they do indeed show, iDVD!)

I didn't like most of this post, talking about what some of these folks think Apple execs like or don't like. I thought it was a waste of time so I did some research and was given the following reply, which might help with what you are looking for. I know Discussion groups like to pontificate. I'm not saying that's bad but I just felt many were missing the mark.

"Whilst Macs with a Superdrive continue to be able to burn video DVDs, the software for so doing, iDVD, is no longer included in the iLife bundle that comes with OS 10.7 Lion (which also omitted iWeb) or will come with OS 10.8 Mountain Lion. And it is no longer included in the iLife 11 from the online Apple Store: http://www.apple.com/ilife/. Your only solution is to look on Amazon or eBay and try to get an older version that includes iDVD 7, i.e. iLife version 9 onwards. You should also do this if you plan to buy a new Mac anytime soon, as stocks of iLife that include iDVD will not be available for ever.

However, the vastly more expensive FCPX can burn a DVD without iDVD or DVD Studio Pro involvement, but lack the themes etc of iDVD. Also, of course, there is Roxio Toast, which is the best software for burning anything but again does not offer the flexibility of iDVD."

Research??

If you are trying to earn points by simply quoting other people's posts, or in this case a User Tip available in this forum:

https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-3673

please have the courtesy to also state the source and/or author.