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Logic 9's UI extremely laggy - any fixes?

I've been a pretty happy Logic user since 2004, but lately version 9 has been really cheezing me off. It seems that whenever I'm playing my current project, the user interface becomes completely unresponsive to key commands and mouse clicks, which will be delayed for many seconds, or ignored entirely.


This is a fresh install of Logic Pro 9.1.4, 32-bit, on one of the new Mac minis (dual 2.7GHz i7, 4GB RAM, stock 500GB hard drive), with a PreSonus FireStudio Project. However, this was also happening on my previous system, a 2008 15" unibody MacBook Pro. It was happening a little bit on Snow Leopard but it's gotten much worse under Lion. My MacBook had aftermarket RAM (8GB) and an aftermarket SSD, but everything in the Mini is stock.


It's happening even if I only have one or two tracks, although it seems to be worse if I have any of the various metering plugins running and open, or ChanEQ with the analyzer turned on. I wonder if maybe those plugins aren't handling UI updates correctly, or something.


Just to be clear, I have absolutely no third-party AudioUnits installed, and it's neither a CPU nor an I/O issue (both gauges are pretty much empty, and Activity Monitor shows Logic as taking about 10% of one CPU), and yet it takes anywhere from 3-10 seconds for a simple mouse click to go through.


This is getting EXTREMELY frustrating, especially since the lag seems to always happen at the worst moments (i.e. I'm trying to turn down the volume on a track which suddenly got really loud, and the lack of responsiveness means my ears get blasted and I have to take a break for them to recover before I can start mixing again).


Has anyone else been experiencing this and found a workaround? Is anyone at Apple even paying attention to these issues? I feel like it's the same problem that was being discussed in this thread, which was never resolved: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2396951


Message was edited by: robert113

Mac mini, Mac OS X (10.7), 2.7GHz i7, 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD

Posted on Jul 30, 2011 7:31 PM

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Sep 1, 2012 11:42 AM in response to ZXC

ZXC wrote:


Pancenter wrote:


Can you tell me where you've seen this posted

I believe it was in some thread at gearslutz.com.



I found something interesting. I have two screens, one 24" and one 21". They were both set to "Best for this Screen" resolution. Setting them to a fixed resolution seemed to make the situation better, and so did setting them to the same resolution. Another surprising finding: If I opened a score window, and closed the Arrange window, the situation got better as well. The problem actually disappeared. So, having two screens, but no Logic window on one of them may possibly confuse Logic and make the situation worse. So - if the problem is that the Lions deal with updating the Arrange windows, and not (only) the Analyzer feature differently on Macs with only a 256 MB graphics card, maybe the solution is different than if the problem was only the EQs with the analyzer active.



I'm not 100% sure if the thing that helped with opening a score window was that I also closed the Arrange.


When I initially selected the "Best for Screen" resolution after having updated to mLion, the system became very unstable, and hardly booted after a restart: I had to wait a long time and watch a lot of blinking screens. Maybe mLion, and to some degree Lion, have some problems with two screens/two screens with different sizes/two screens with different resolutions that SL didn't have - or had vry little of.


But if temp. closing the Arrange window can be used as a workaround (I can still have several analyzing Channel EQs active, and edit them during play), the situation is a little less dramatic in terms of finding workarounds until a fix has been implemnted. And if all I need is to have another window open, possibly on another screen, and if it doesn't even need to be topped, the better.


This has nothing to do with Cubase, it's also a proven fact that it's not completely related to the graphics card memory. Brand new machines are having the problem. It's an OS/Logic conflict... maybe it is graphics related, but not in the context you posted.

Sep 1, 2012 12:47 PM in response to fluffy

So Hypnotik had his account suspended for posting a spreadsheet intended to HELP struggling Logic users get to the bottom of these issues?:


http://www.logicprohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=78028&start=420#p456896


It's just a spreadsheet. It's not going to bring down the world's most valuable company, is it?


Absolutely unbelievable!


Can the administrators explain exactly what he did wrong? Do Apple not want to find out why Logic is "conflicting" with OS X?

Sep 1, 2012 1:01 PM in response to fluffy

I was willing to try to work around the problem in Logic, but I am not willing to work with software made by a company that is behaving this way on the SUPPORT FORUM.


I really hope that this is just the actions of a couple of overeager community moderators and not a sign of Apple's policy as a whole.


This bug has been around for well over a year now. It is affecting a lot of people. We are trying to figure out what is causing it so that Apple's engineers can reproduce it. The only responses we've gotten from Apple are


1) Cannot reproduce

2) Discussing this issue and trying to reproduce it is a violation of our community standards


I like OSX. I like Apple products in general. But this behavior is INEXCUSABLE, Apple.


What rules have been violated here?

Sep 1, 2012 1:02 PM in response to fluffy

I want to add to the people in here that cannot believe the arrogant attitude of Apple (employees) towards users that are trying to solve a problem that Apple cannot or will not solve. What is wrong with posting a link to a spreadsheet that has the potential of finding out what is causing this Logic bug?


Is it just another of these stupid "policies" that Apple wants to enforce to maintain their god-like feeling and being superior over these "dumb users"?


You (Apple) should be glad that someone takes some initiative to try and solve your mess! This freakin' bug popped up when Lion was introduced and meanwhile we arrived at Mountain Lion and it's still there. No decent response from Apple other that trying to mute users that are fed up with it!


Wake up Apple!

Sep 1, 2012 1:30 PM in response to RubenSchouten

No offense to anyone just waking up to this but "arrogance" has been the Apple creed for many years, it's a trickle down effect from the top all the way down to many of it's snotty users. In all fairness to this forum we're generally devoid of the usual user arrogance partly because music, audio and Logic are so overwhelmingly huge in their scope! Occasionally the demanding, entitled user shows up here, but not often. What do you think the Mac guy/Pc guy ads were all about? An arrogant pseudo cool guy showing how easy it was to do mundane tasks on a Mac and the generally more sincere PC guy looking like a fool. This is part of the Apple vibe. Things are changing, Apple has to support a LOT more hardware and software configurations... and viruses have shown up.. what you will find is, Apple is having conflicts that it never had before, the more people that use the product the more support required, doesn't bode well for the Pro line os software but I'll take a wait and see approach, I'd love to see a ground-breaking Logic X that didn't pander to newbies, that's about the only thing that would make me purchase a new machine.


Apple's lack of communication has and will continue to anger users of the "Pro" application series.

Sep 1, 2012 1:27 PM in response to fluffy

Out of 10,000 Apps in the Mac App store, Logic Pro is the 23rd most popular paid Application currently. It's more popular than GarageBand right now! You know they have to know this issue exists. Is anyone actually surprised they're ignoring this? Seems like standard issue Apple to me. The thing that makes me nervous, is that it seems so old fashioned now in a world where companies are fighting to compete with one another. 😐

Sep 1, 2012 10:23 PM in response to Smorticula

So is hypnotik suspended right now?


I really find this situation so funny. Jeez.


See I wouldn't be complaining if I could simply downgrade to 10.6.


But since Apple doesn't update 10.6.8 to accomodate MBP Retina models, I am forced to stick with this.


and thus like MANY other users out there with this shiny new laptop to make their music in Logic with, we sit with an unusable DAW. Expensive waste of time.


Apple techs, if you are reading this, you no doubt have MORE than enough info to go on and replicate this issue.


Actually I just realized im within my return period. I may as well considering this is NOT what I paid for.

Sep 2, 2012 2:34 AM in response to Smorticula

People sometimes post links of forums which could represent a security hole. And if someone keeps posting something in spite of knowing that the kind of stuff links they post aren't allowed on that forum, suspending accounts is the normal procedure.


But this thread is about a Logic issue, and not forum policy or other off-topic-ness, which is why I'm totally fine with this message being removed as well.


The signal-to-noise ration in forums nowadays often call for removings posts. Having several threads dedicated to the current lag issue with ML, Logic, 3rd part drivers etc shows that such discussions aren't removed.

Logic 9's UI extremely laggy - any fixes?

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