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fluffy Author

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Logic 9's UI extremely laggy - any fixes?

I've been a pretty happy Logic user since 2004, but lately version 9 has been really cheezing me off. It seems that whenever I'm playing my current project, the user interface becomes completely unresponsive to key commands and mouse clicks, which will be delayed for many seconds, or ignored entirely.

This is a fresh install of Logic Pro 9.1.4, 32-bit, on one of the new Mac minis (dual 2.7GHz i7, 4GB RAM, stock 500GB hard drive), with a PreSonus FireStudio Project. However, this was also happening on my previous system, a 2008 15" unibody MacBook Pro. It was happening a little bit on Snow Leopard but it's gotten much worse under Lion. My MacBook had aftermarket RAM (8GB) and an aftermarket SSD, but everything in the Mini is stock.

It's happening even if I only have one or two tracks, although it seems to be worse if I have any of the various metering plugins running and open, or ChanEQ with the analyzer turned on. I wonder if maybe those plugins aren't handling UI updates correctly, or something.

Just to be clear, I have absolutely no third-party AudioUnits installed, and it's neither a CPU nor an I/O issue (both gauges are pretty much empty, and Activity Monitor shows Logic as taking about 10% of one CPU), and yet it takes anywhere from 3-10 seconds for a simple mouse click to go through.

This is getting EXTREMELY frustrating, especially since the lag seems to always happen at the worst moments (i.e. I'm trying to turn down the volume on a track which suddenly got really loud, and the lack of responsiveness means my ears get blasted and I have to take a break for them to recover before I can start mixing again).

Has anyone else been experiencing this and found a workaround? Is anyone at Apple even paying attention to these issues? I feel like it's the same problem that was being discussed in this thread, which was never resolved: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2396951

Message was edited by: robert113

Mac mini, Mac OS X (10.7), 2.7GHz i7, 4GB RAM, 500GB HDD

Posted on Jul 30, 2011 7:31 PM

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hypnotik

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Jul 23, 2012 9:38 AM in response to hypnotik

Finally i got some contact from Apple QA (Quality Assurance) Please guys i need your feed back to move forward. Could you please answer to this three questions regarding the lagging issue under LION 10.7.X (only) 1. When does this occur? 2. Does this still occur when all plug-in windows are closed? 3. is there a way to reliably reproduce this? Many thanks or your feedback.

Jul 23, 2012 1:04 PM in response to hypnotik

1. After approximately 10 - 15 minutes if I have a Channel EQ Plugin opened while playing the track and tweaking in some other plugins or even in the EQ

2. If it happend the first time it stays until the restart of logic, even if I close all plugin windows. If I never open the EQ for some minutes I never realize the problem

3. see 2. 😉

hypnotik

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Jul 24, 2012 1:40 AM in response to Michael Siedenbiedel

Thanks Michael.

Hey other guys! Wake up!

The first reply i had from Logic support/QA was : we are unable to reproduce the issue. This morning they're sill investigating.

This is our chance for this problem being taken in account, so please give me your replies ASAP.

Jul 24, 2012 3:42 AM in response to hypnotik

1. After approximately five or six plugins with heavy GUI like - Waves Kramer Tape + Kramer HLS + Kamer PIE, MaagEQ, Character + ChannelEQ.

2. Still laggy even if I close all plugin windows.

3. See 1.

hypnotik

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Jul 24, 2012 3:49 AM in response to SmokenSound

Thanks for your feedback, i need more inputs come on guys 🙂

For the record i've sent them a kind of how to make logic slow in 5minutes

http://youtu.be/2tf_lZc7xD0

Things really getting worse from 5:00 it's unbelievable!

Jul 24, 2012 3:57 AM in response to hypnotik

Please make a video with plugins i mentioned ! It will be muuuuch slower !!! I just dont have Lion to show ) Rolled back to SL.

fluffy Author

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Jul 24, 2012 8:51 AM in response to hypnotik

For me it's the same as what everyone else is reporting. Closing the plugin windows doesn't help, but turning off their analyzers does. It also seems to happen more often if the analyzer windows are on my secondary monitor, but I've had it happen in a single-monitor configuration as well.

It's also random as to when it does happen; I can't reproduce it reliably, but when it does happen it's RIDICULOUSLY AGGRAVATING.

Jul 24, 2012 9:28 AM in response to fluffy

For me it seems like it starts when I drag an analyzer or another GPU intensive plugin to my secondary display. I originally had only my Mac Pro's factory 256 MB video card and it happened much more on that card. Since, I've switched to a 1 GB card, and the issue happens a lot less, but definitely still happens.

Like I said in an earlier post, I think it's GPU related. Not that 256 isn't enough, but like Logic runs out of GPU processing power, or fills up somehow. Oddly enough though, you can "fix it" by disabling any analyzers, or by closing out the interfaces for any plug-ins that were open. It's not a permanent fix though, since bringing those plugs back up starts it all over again.

hypnotik

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Jul 24, 2012 9:38 AM in response to Darren Burgos

Hey guys thanks for your feedbacks

You can trust me i'm taking the time to summarize each feedback and i send them to my Apple support contact.

To Smoken :

sorry i don't have these plugins 🙂

But anyway videos i've already sent to Apple support should be enough! They must reproduce the issue to adress it.

I really need a lot of feedback to spam the support and make them understand *** is going on there!

Jul 25, 2012 4:29 AM in response to hypnotik

I will test mountain lion today and see how things working. What app u use to record video ?

hypnotik

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Jul 25, 2012 4:31 AM in response to SmokenSound

hey man 🙂

I use screenflow. I tried with the Mountain GM and it was worse for me, so good luck and feedback us !

thx

Jul 25, 2012 9:27 AM in response to hypnotik

On 10.7.4 I had never noticed the problem in normal use but when I created a session with six channel EQ and linear phase EQ with analyzer enabled on high, it totally choked Logic.

On 10.8.0 that session is much better, there might be a little bit of lag doing things but it's definitely usable.

If Apple has trouble reproducing it, have you tried sending them a Logic session that has the problem?

Jul 25, 2012 12:53 PM in response to Mike Connelly

Lion and Mountain Lion Video - http://youtu.be/wI4n2bIBII0

This is realy bad. I have no words at all .

Jul 25, 2012 12:58 PM in response to SmokenSound

With the third party plugs, have you asked those devs about it?

hypnotik

Level 1

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Jul 25, 2012 1:48 PM in response to Mike Connelly

tired of reading this

3rd party 3rd party 3rd party! it's always 3rd party fault

just use logic with some channel EQ and ANY 3rd party plugin, you can't tell to all 3rd party dev of the world : hey guys you ALL have the same problem whereas the real problem is the operating system or logic.

thanks smokensound, it's bad and sad, i'm completely depressed, when i watch your video i can see myself getting crazy for hours with this sh*tware.

Logic 9's UI extremely laggy - any fixes?