DON'T UPDATE TO LION!

I couldn't be more unsatisfied with OS X Lion. First, problems with Safari (and sometimes I got to restart because it has some problem with Youtube), problems with Finder, my network it's completely deconfigured in comparation with my old Snow Leopard, and now the sound has gone with NO reasons. I hear the sound of the volume going up and down, but can't play Youtube and even iTunes! With all the respect, I thought Apple was different from Microsoft, but now that become this big, feels like thinks the same way.


DO NOT UPDATE TO LION! Don't waste your money with a software that have a lot of issues to get fixed.

Mac OS X (10.7)

Posted on Aug 1, 2011 10:00 AM

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Aug 24, 2011 11:21 AM in response to capaho

capaho wrote:

I don't assume that everyone is having problems with Lion, only those who are writing about problems with Lion in this forum. Of course, it's merely anecdotal, but there certainly do seem to be quite a lot.

"Quite a lot" relative to what? Would it make a difference to you if say 20% of users reported problems vs. 0.5%? We know that some users will always have problems with any OS upgrade, & that many if not most of those problems are caused by something other than a flaw in the OS itself. For instance, many third party apps & system additions are not compatible with the new OS in some way or another, & problems they cause can easily be mistaken for problems with the OS itself.


If you want to concentrate on Mac Mini's, the same "quite a lot" question remains germaine. We have to assume that some of the reports are due to factors other than the OS itself, & some of them are ones that can be solved by users themselves, once they figure out the cause. Unless someone has some evidence that all Mini users will have some problem with the upgrade, it makes no sense to tell all of them to avoid the upgrade.


Likewise, if someone claims the upgrade should avoided by Mini users because "quite a lot" of them are having problems, then how many "quite a lot" actually represents is important. If it is just a tiny percentage of them, it would be a foolish suggestion.

Aug 24, 2011 11:53 AM in response to tonefox

@tonefox, I think the more appropriate analogy considering the OP's problems is that he bought a new car and it stalled and a wheel fell off within minutes of driving off the lot. If it's a problem right out of the box, so to speak, then it's a legitimate problem.


When you buy a new car, you shouldn't have to take it to get serviced right after purchase.

Aug 25, 2011 3:55 PM in response to tonefox

Maybe the car is still there by the side of the road and the poster above you feels it's an eyesore? 🙂


The Lemon Law in the US is that you need to try and get something fixed at least three times before asking for a refund for a "lemon." As long as we are making car analogies.


But the sad reality is that many people think if you turn on a computer it should work, and if you use it you don't need to do anything to keep it running well. No upkeep. Many of the issues I see here (and at a site I mod dedicated to an app for Macs elsewhere) very likely can be lain at the feet of poor or no upkeep, moving things, renaming things, etc. Yes, there are people with pristine machines and systems who have problems, but I would guess they are in the minority. And, as my numbers above suggest, there are many many (many!) millions of Mac users who have no issues, who don't come here, who just happily go along.

Aug 25, 2011 9:32 PM in response to The Dude Abides

"Yes, there are people with pristine machines and systems who have problems, but I would guess they are in the minority"


I doubt that statement is true. I bought my MBP in July and upgraded to Lion within a week. My ex-wife bought her MBA in August and it came with Lion already installed. Both computers have had their problems with wifi connectivity, freezes, etc. For me, 2 out of 2 doesn't seem like a "minority".

Aug 25, 2011 10:43 PM in response to D0GG

Are there 200 people here complaining about Lion? Maybe 2000? Or 5000? That's still a drop in the bucket compared to the number of machines shipping with Lion and/or people downloading it to their own machines. Apple sales are surging and Lion is part of that.



Apple announced Thursday that sales of OS X 10.7 Lion topped the one million mark on Wednesday, the first day of availability. Lion is only available through the Mac App Store, and at US$29.99, that means Apple has added another $30 million to its coffers (you know, becauseApple was running short on cash).

“Lion is off to a great start, user reviews and industry reaction have been fantastic,” Philip Schiller, Apple’s senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing, said in a statement. “Lion is a huge step forward, it’s not only packed with innovative features but it’s incredibly easy for users to update their Macs to the best OS we’ve ever made.”



Hmm- more than a million sales the first day. That sounds like a statistic to me. I wonder how many more have been sold since that first day. One or two copies, or maybe a few million more? Or ten million?


That actually sounds like Lion works for most people. They sell millions and some number of thousands of people have issues. No one, especially the people posting here about how bad Lion is, have ANY idea how many people actually have major problems with it. They report they have issues, they see a few hundred, or even a few thousand, people complain, and boom, Lion is bad. Don't use it. Their problems do not make Lion bad.


Again, every time an OS is released, we go through this here. The posters with problems assume the issue is global because they see similar problems here. It's not. I keep quoting the statistics I was asked for (units sold vs. possible users on this forum, to show that the percentage of complaints is actually quite small, for example), and someone says, well, mine doesn't work, my friend's doesn't work, so they all don't work, or the majority don't work.


No. Because there are many more people whose copies work. Even here, in this thread, people report that theirs work. Mine works. Just above this post are several reports that theirs work. I'm not saying (again, as I keep doing) that yes, YOU may be having issues, even with a new machine (I bought a new Honda Civic the first year of a new model, and it had four recalls. It was a great car, just had some shaking out to do). But that does not mean that Lion is a disaster. Millions sold and in use. And if you go to an Apple Store, people aren't clamoring for help. This isn't even up to the p.r. tumult over the iPhone 4, in which pressure was put on Apple to give out free bumpers to solve some problem that some folks may or may not have actually had. I hear crickets over Lion.


So, please, if you have issues with Lion, I'm sorry. Go to Apple, or revert to SL, or spend $29 and install SL on your new computer if you can't get it to work with Lion, or take your new computer back and get a refund. But please don't tell the rest of us that Lion doesn't work , and then demand statistics when we tell you that it does for us. The numbers sold tell the tale. It works for most people.

Aug 26, 2011 5:04 AM in response to capaho

capaho wrote:

R C-R wrote:

"Quite a lot" relative to what?


Relative to the total number of posts in this forum.

If that is the only thing you look at, then you would have to conclude that nobody should upgrade to any new OS version because every forum is dominated by reports of problems. That's just the nature of these forums: people mostly come here looking for help solving problems, not to report that they don't have any.


The only thing of any real significance is what fraction of users have some specific problem that can be related to using the new OS. And even if "quite a lot" of them do, that doesn't necessarily mean the source of that specific problem is the new OS itself. For instance, "quite a lot" of users might be using the same popular but out-of-date third party system add-on that is not fully compatible with the new OS.


That's why it is pointless to waste time & effort arguing about what these reports prove. If users put half that effort into providing detailed information about the exact nature of the problem(s) they have, what they have installed on their machines, & anything else that might be a factor, then we might actually be able to determine why some users have that problem & others don't.

Aug 26, 2011 5:19 AM in response to BDeCastro

I am very annoyed with Lion. I have bought a brand new mac cost me $5000 and it is working LESS efficiently than my old one.


If apple does not fix lion I don't know what to do with my so called new ferrari mac which is now running like an old ox.


Keynote is one of my biggest concerns. It seems apple just CANNOT come up with a solution on this one.

I am now working on my old mac. So much for getting a new computer which is proving to be a waste of my time.

Aug 26, 2011 7:22 AM in response to The Dude Abides

The Dude Abides wrote:


Are there 200 people here complaining about Lion? Maybe 2000? Or 5000? That's still a drop in the bucket compared to the number of machines shipping with Lion and/or people downloading it to their own machines. Apple sales are surging and Lion is part of that.


Machines shipping with Lion are clean installs, not upgrades. If the problems are predominately with upgraded Macs then there is a problem with the upgrade installer, so the onus is still on Apple.


As for the number of people here who are complaining, how many different individuals are there, actually? Have you counted them? What percentage of the total number of users who have upgraded to Lion are experiencing no problems? How many people who are having problems with Lion never post here? What are the actual numbers?

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