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  • Cnip NewMedia Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Duplicate just killed my original file !!

    If apple keeps going on with re-inventing the hot-water, don't know where this is going to.....

     

    Can't do a simple save-as. Wondering what the theory behind this bull-**** is.

    Don't they realize that people are working on a professional way with apple-soft.

  • sarahd10 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    As we're on the topic of saving, I wonder if you can please help me!

     

    Yesterday I saved a file, and now it won't open. The file is on my documents list, but tries to open in some archive format and then proceeds to tell me it can't open. So frustrating! any ideas?!?

  • Level 8 Level 8 (41,780 points)

    Duplicate kills nothing.

    It's you which killed the old file.

    When we duplicate we get two files :

     

    the original which remains unchangfed and a new copy.

    The original didnn't disappear by itself.

     

    Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) mercredi 10 août 2011 17:14:20

    iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 4 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.0

    My iDisk is : <http://public.me.com/koenigyvan>


    Please : Search for questions similar to your own before submitting them to the community

     

    To be the AW6 successor, iWork MUST integrate a TRUE DB, not a list organizer !

  • Level 8 Level 8 (41,780 points)

    Trying to help you requires more infos.

     

    Which operating system are you running,

    which Pages version are you using ?

    I guess that you know the answers but helpers aren't behind you.

     

    Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) mercredi 10 août 2011 17:16:15

    iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 4 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.0

    My iDisk is : <http://public.me.com/koenigyvan>


    Please : Search for questions similar to your own before submitting them to the community

     

    To be the AW6 successor, iWork MUST integrate a TRUE DB, not a list organizer !

  • Level 8 Level 8 (41,780 points)

    It's really easy to work with this kind of needs.

    I save the main document and rename it with the extension "template".

    This way, when I double click it I get a single new document in which I may apply the wanted changes for student#1. When the doc is ready I close it (which will save it)

    Then, I double click one more time the 'template' to build a document for student#2

     

    I behaved this way under 10.4, 10.5, 10.6 so 10.7 changes nothing for me.

     

    Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) mercredi 10 août 2011 18:02:39

    iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 4 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.0

    My iDisk is : <http://public.me.com/koenigyvan>


    Please : Search for questions similar to your own before submitting them to the community

     

    To be the AW6 successor, iWork MUST integrate a TRUE DB, not a list organizer !

  • Cnip NewMedia Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    You can do a restore.

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4753

     

    This will help you, I hope.

  • PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (32,420 points)

    sarahd10 wrote:

     

    As we're on the topic of saving, I wonder if you can please help me!

     

    Yesterday I saved a file, and now it won't open. The file is on my documents list, but tries to open in some archive format and then proceeds to tell me it can't open. So frustrating! any ideas?!?

    Where did you save it to, what is the "archive format" and what exactly is the message?

     

    Peter

  • msw70 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Lion is great, but many of us used "Save as..." extensively.  Just because Lion has many great features doesn't make this flaw any more tolerable.  "Save as..." was simple and elegant and didn't need "fixing." 

     

    For example, let's try to save an existing Pages 09 document as a Pages 08 document.

     

    What you would have done in the old work flow is:

    1. Click "Save As..."

    2. Choose Pages 08 in the dialog

    3. Choose a location or change the name.

    4. Click OK.

    5. Close the document.

     

    What you have to do now:

    0. Click "Unlock" if it's an older document because you may be crazy or stupid and need to have an extra hurdle to protect you from yourself.

    1. Click File>Duplicate.

    2. If you've made changes to the document, click through the dialog to specify whether you want to "Duplicate and Revert" or just "Duplicate"

    3. Click File>Save...

    4. Choose Save a Copy as Pages 08

    5. Change the location and change the name.

    6. Click OK.

    7. The duplicate and the original are still sitting on your desktop, but you're done with them so let's close them.  First the duplicate.

    8. Cancel out of the automatic save dialog that pops up on the duplicate because the program doesn't care that you've already saved a copy.

    9.  Now close the original.

     

    That's just nuts...

  • mdh98368 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Here, Here!

  • jeangb Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Agreed. "Save as" was easy and worked. I understand the concept behind Versions but it doesn't fit with how I (and it sounds like, many others) work with documents. First of all, it took me much investigation to figure out Versions, and how to access them. Then I realized every saved version of the file was archived – not especially helpful because a saved version might just be an interim step. For example, I am writing a proposal now and am on V2, but Versions has perhaps 8 archived because that's how many times I saved the document. I can't easily distinguish between an interim saved version and an "official" version, if that makes sense. Sigh. If we could keep Versions and bring back Save As, I'd be happy.

  • Dale Gillard Level 5 Level 5 (4,365 points)
    "Save as" was easy and worked. I understand the concept behind Versions but it doesn't fit with how I (and it sounds like, many others) work with documents... Sigh. If we could keep Versions and bring back Save As, I'd be happy.

     

    The Versions feature does not replace the Save As feature. They're two different things.

     

    Versions is an entirely new feature introduced with Lion. It creates a snapshot of a document at a certain point in time so you can refer back to it later.

     

    Save As has been replaced by the File > Duplicate menu command. This creates an entirely new document with the same content as the original but with a different name, it's own versions, etc.

     

    The Versions feature takes a snapshot of a document about once an hour, or when you manually trigger it with File > Save a Version. You might want to take a snapshot at an important point in a document eg the end of a chapter. Or maybe before wildly restructuring and rewriting a document you're not pleased with. You can then retrieve the earlier version and choose whether to revert back to it or just copy some text from it and paste it into the current version.

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4753

  • mdh98368 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Just to chime in again...

     

    Everyone on this thread knows that "Save As" is now morphed into "Duplicate."

     

    As many people have pointed out, it's not a clean morph. Duplicate now adds multiple steps to a formerly one-click operation including things that are not intuitive or obvious.


    "Save As" could not be simpler or more self-descriptive and was a key part of many people's workflows.

     

    "Duplicate" is a work around at best and a step backward however it is considered.

  • Level 8 Level 8 (41,780 points)

    Just to chime in again …

     

    It's not because several users rant against Duplicate that they are right.

    Windows is the most widely spread operating system and it doesn't prove that it's the best operating system.

    VHS was the most widely spread videotape recorder and wasn't the best one.

     

    On my side, I have no problem with the new scheme and I don't wish that Apple drops it.

     

    Yvan KOENIG (VALLAURIS, France) jeudi 18 août 2011 16:14:38

    iMac 21”5, i7, 2.8 GHz, 4 Gbytes, 1 Tbytes, mac OS X 10.6.8 and 10.7.0

    My iDisk is : <http://public.me.com/koenigyvan>


    Please : Search for questions similar to your own before submitting them to the community

     

    To be the AW6 successor, iWork MUST integrate a TRUE DB, not a list organizer !

  • Jardar Abrahamsen Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Dale Gillard wrote:

     

    You might want to take a snapshot at an important point in a document eg the end of a chapter. Or maybe before wildly restructuring and rewriting a document you're not pleased with. You can then retrieve the earlier version and choose whether to revert back to it or just copy some text from it and paste it into the current version.

    Wouldn't it take some extra time to search for that earlier version (from before the wild restructuring) if Autosave has created, say, 20 versions in the meantime?

  • Jardar Abrahamsen Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    mdh98368 wrote:

     

    "Save As" could not be simpler or more self-descriptive and was a key part of many people's workflows.

     

    "Duplicate" is a work around at best and a step backward however it is considered.

    Let me add to that:

     

    Quite a few of us would, as we know, like to have the option not to save everything they do. At the same time it must be confessed that Autosave and Versions can be useful in some situations, both for experienced users and less experienced users, though for the less experienced users Autosave may even come close to a lifesaver.

     

    But then on the other hand, for many of us it's now too easy to save something that one didn't want to be saved.

     

    Of course, the dismissed "Save as" and the new "Duplicate" are just a workaround for dealing with Versions and Autosave. "Save as" would not make much sense when the original file has already been auto-saved. So there is an internal logic to it.

     

    But for many of us, myself included, it would be so much easier if we were allowed to decide on our own when to save and when not to save, and as stated by so many, "Duplicate" adds annoying steps to the workflow. One may suspect, then, that many in that dissatisfied category of users are also the ones that used "Save as" actively, that is, the same category of users that will use the "Duplicate" workaround more often than others. So, the target audience for "Duplicate" will consist of many who would actually prefer to "Save as", while those who never used to "Save as" will also not "Duplicate".

     

    Which in turn means that "Duplicate" is a workaround for the "Save as" people, so Apple could implement autosave for the less experienced audience that more often than others would actually need to be explicitly warned that "this document has been changed". (This is of course a very simplified conclusion, so please don't crucify me. As stated above, I am quite sure that autosave can be useful also for experienced users.)

     

    In other words: an option in the preference settings would be nice.

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