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airbnboy Level 1 (0 points)

So I am a web/software developer and I am having major beef with OSX Lion's Mission Control.  While I think Mission Control and Application Windows are interesting additions to the multi-tasking nature and scheme of the OS, removing the older Expose Spaces and All Windows is a huge mistake.  Couldn't Apple have just left all of the old stuff in? Then the system would be complete.  As pretty as Mission Control and Application Windows is, the older Snow Leopard Spaces and Expose moved much faster and tamed all of my apps in a very efficient way.

Here is why Mission Control is not as fast as Spaces and Expose:....


1. With Spaces all of the desktops and their connected monitors were consolidated to one monitor in which you can easily see everything going on from a birds eye view.  You cloud easily drag open windows between them freely and even swap spaces.  This was huge because you could see everything.  You could even activate All Windows over Spaces and see everything..Mission Control will group everything but you can't move programs across desktops unless it's the main desktop to the little desktop.  Nor can you move windows across monitors.  This is frustrating.  Also the desktop are split to their respective monitor so I no longer have a birds-eye key-map access.


2. All Windows is so necessary and slick. Mission Control or Application Windows can't quite keep up.  If I have a cluttered desktop and hit all windows, I can get any window at any time no matter how buried it is.  Application Windows is useful but only applies to the focused application…but what if it's buried?  I have to activate mission control first, select one of the windows from the program group, then activate Application Windows to get to that window.  Also if there are many windows open for an application, Mission Control cannot replace All Windows because they stack and you can't quite tell which of the windows you want is accessible in that stack.


The bottom line is, put both of them together!  Keep the old functionality as an option, because truth be told, the old way of doing things is still considerably faster under heavy work loads.  I would use the Snow Leopard expose features more often.  There is still room for Application Windows and Mission Control, but even after re-training myself I feel I'm moving at 70% of the multitasking speed that I used to move at before using Snow Leopard Expose.  I mean this legitimately, I develop using multiple OS's along with video chat and instead of being a leap forward, Lion is a step backward and that just isn't like apple, everything Apple has done has been leaps and bounds forward.  Let's leap forward and not only have all the sweet new features that Lion offers, but combine with the productive features that really moved and maybe just integrate into Lion's style.  Bottle that and you have something sweeter than Yoohoo.

Mac OS X (10.7)
  • iPotential Level 1 (15 points)

    I agree.  Thankfully moving to Snow Leopard is an option/improvement.


    Here's a video to further support your case...



    ...shame it's the past, rather than a preview of the future.

  • john corey jr Level 1 (15 points)

    I had set a number of apps to open by default in specific spaces. A way of orgnaizing what I normally do. I find that in Mission Control the apps still want to be in the specific spaces/windows. I just do not see a way to change the defaults or to move an app completely if I want a perminant change. Am I missing something?

  • airbnboy Level 1 (0 points)

    It's weird, it's like Apples kinda pulling a Vista... just putting stuff in for whatever reasons... it can be easily correct though, just put the old stuff back and mix them all...then the OS is on fire!


    Also I'm curious, why pull Rosetta, that was a handy tool to have for the retro stuff.. ah well.

  • eightamrock Level 1 (0 points)

    You can assign apps to default spaces by right clicking on the app in the dock and under "Options" > "Assign To:" select the space you would like it to open in by default.

  • IXXIGolfer Level 1 (0 points)

    An application can be assigned to a space -  HOWEVER MSSION CONTROL MOVES THE SPACES AROUND making it difficult to predict where the application exists. 


    This causes an inefficent work flor.


    Going back to Snow Leopard for Spaces

    OMG - de ja vieux of Vista upgrades to XP

  • Michael Hodgins Level 1 (0 points)

    It's very frustating. I have three spaces and Lion always moves my third space to the middle!

  • Barney-15E Level 8 (46,274 points)

    IXXIGolfer wrote:


    An application can be assigned to a space -  HOWEVER MSSION CONTROL MOVES THE SPACES AROUND making it difficult to predict where the application exists. 


    This causes an inefficent work flor.


    Going back to Snow Leopard for Spaces

    OMG - de ja vieux of Vista upgrades to XP

    Just go into Mission Control System Preferences and turn that option off.

  • airbnboy Level 1 (0 points)
  • airbnboy Level 1 (0 points)

    just throw "all windows" in there, make the desktops swapabale, and allow me move any window to any desktop on any monitor and we're good...or turn the old stuff back on as an option to combine with the new... or maybe a trick like hovering over a group of windows in MC to expose all of them so the one I want isn't burried

  • LJJX Level 1 (0 points)

    i think i may go back to snow leopard just so i can use the origional expose/spaces.. what the **** are apple doing?

  • iPotential Level 1 (15 points)

    LJJX wrote:


    i think i may go back to snow leopard just so i can use the origional expose/spaces.. what the **** are apple doing?

    I went back to Snow Leopard on all but one of my Macs. It's much better than Lion and my preferred option for doing serious work.

  • jamspandex Level 1 (0 points)

    Absolutely. If we could just have the All Windows in mission control, and alsobe able to click and move applications in the "Desktop thumbnails" then all would be fine. Or maybe even, just keep the all windows feature, like they've kept the "applications window" feature. It can't be that difficult.


    For the extremely fast mouse swipe and single click selection experience of "all windows" you now have

    to  go to mission control and then do a "quicklook" (for that read "slow look") on the windows in a stack in mission control by moving the mouse over the window and pressing the space bar, then pressing it again to get it to go away, and then again to see the next window, and so on and so on, until you *eventually* get the

    window you are looking for. This is in *no way* an improvement.


    Now, I for one would be perfectly happy witht having an "application windows" feature for all the windows in a stack just by howering over the stack. When you do an "all windows" you know what application you are looking for, so having to move to the mouse to the stack for correct application and then to see only those windows would actually be an "all windows" improvement since the windows would be bigger, without the windows from appliocations you are not interested in and the amount of mouse movement would be no greater. It is all the uneccessary clicking and keyboard interaction that is annoying me. As it is, hovering the

    mouse shows a blue line around the window, so why not just have it do a quick look instead of needing the

    actual space bar press?

  • jamspandex Level 1 (0 points)

    Oh, and by the way, before any one posts, yes I know I can *almost* get the "applications windows" experience

    on a stack with a two finger swipe, but the windows don't open up enough to see what is going on, and doing a two finger swipe is as much work as a mouse click if you are just moving the mouse around. Just open them up them up completely when the mouse is over them is what you want.

  • croysk Level 1 (0 points)

    I completely agree with airbnboy. I used to be able to quick organised different windows within the same app to different spaces (now "desktops" for no apparent reason). This worked very smoothly in expose/spaces. I'd use one gesture to get to spaces, then another for expose, and I'd have all my windows in all spaces visible.


    Now, I can't even see all of my windows in specific to one desktop! The best I can do is double scroll to see *some parts* of the windows on a desktop. So now, selecting a window for a specifc app is huge pain.


    Worse than this, on moving windows from a desktop to another in, Mission Control will change the ordering of the stacks (per app, not the windows in the stacks). Umm, what is the possible benefit there?


    So, now there is no use of spatial memory - e.g. Window X for App Y was in the top left of all my windows in the top left space, and I want to move it now. It's no longer possible to see all app windows in a specific "desktop", and much more effort is required to move windows around.


    Great, well done Apple. Can we please, please have Expose and Spaces back as an option? Or at the very least, some way to view all windows for a specifc app on a specific desktop - and by "view", I mean see the whole window, not just a tiny indicator of the window, or a slightly expanded stack that may not give enough context.


    The only reason I "upgraded" to Lion was to get XCode 4.2.

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