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  • Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (121,745 points)
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    Jan 17, 2012 2:08 AM (in response to softwater)

    Er...

     

    Fallacy 1: These forums are always full of complaints after every upgrade.


    This has the form: Something has been complained about in the past; therefore, complaint's about it in the present are not justified.

     

    No it doesn't. One is simply a statement of fact. It makes no assertion at all about the validity of anything. It's either true - the are always complaints after an upgrade - or it's not - there was an upgrade and the forum was not full of complaints.

     

     

    Fallacy 2: This is a tech forum where people come with problems, so the fact that people are complaining here doesn't mean there are any serious problems, it's like going to a hospital and being surprised to find sick people etc etc.

     

    This has the form: This is the place for such problems; therefore, there is no problem outside of here.

     

    Again, uttelrly incorrect. Quite apart from the fact that you amusingly mischaracterise the hosptial analogy (do you really not understand it? Or just being dishonest?) your description of the form is nowhere near a summery of the statement.

     

    Really. Logic?

  • softwater Level 5 Level 5 (5,370 points)
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    Jan 17, 2012 2:16 AM (in response to Terence Devlin)

    Terence Devlin wrote:

     

    Er...

     

    Fallacy 1: These forums are always full of complaints after every upgrade.


    This has the form: Something has been complained about in the past; therefore, complaint's about it in the present are not justified.

     

    No it doesn't. One is simply a statement of fact. It makes no assertion at all about the validity of anything. It's either true - the are always complaints after an upgrade - or it's not - there was an upgrade and the forum was not full of complaints.

     

     

     

     

    You obviously haven't been keeping up. The argument has been used to that affect countless times on this and other threads, and the reason why its a fallacy is precisely because its a statement with no inferential properties. You can see this clearly because I revealed the form of it in order to show just that.

     

     

    Terence Devlin wrote:

     

     

     

    Fallacy 2: This is a tech forum where people come with problems, so the fact that people are complaining here doesn't mean there are any serious problems, it's like going to a hospital and being surprised to find sick people etc etc.

     

    This has the form: This is the place for such problems; therefore, there is no problem outside of here.

     

    Again, uttelrly incorrect. Quite apart from the fact that you amusingly mischaracterise the hosptial analogy (do you really not understand it? Or just being dishonest?) your description of the form is nowhere near a summery of the statement.

     

    Really. Logic?

     

    Oh do correct me, please. I'm more than happy for you to cast the argument in any terms you wish, and I'll equally show you why its false.

  • mulligans missus Level 2 Level 2 (370 points)
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    Jan 17, 2012 2:26 AM (in response to softwater)

    softwater wrote:

     

    I'm afraid you've caught me out with my 10-year old logic.

    Yes. I believe only Logic 9 works with Lion.

     

    Cheers

  • softwater Level 5 Level 5 (5,370 points)
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    Jan 17, 2012 2:27 AM (in response to mulligans missus)

    Don't start going soft mulligans; I even 'liked' that post.

  • Timbev Calculating status...
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    Jan 17, 2012 2:53 AM (in response to Peter Coleman)

    Geez this is getting boring.

     

    I had a nightmare with Lion, so reverted to SL. If you want others to be the guinea pigs, then do not update. If you are happy to be a guinea pig, then go ahead and update, and stop the unending complaining.

     

    Lion is flakey, we all understand that. If you want the wonderful stability that SL offers, then stay with SL. Yes, I do know of people that have Lion installed, and are very happy. That is terrific, and I sincerely hope that the stability continues. In the meantime, I am staying with SL as it simply just works - the end.......

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